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GrAcUc79's picture
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Hello Everyone,

I need some advice on how to approach a client of mine whom I've done plenty of work for in the past. He has paid me promptly every single time in exception to now. Its been over 3 weeks and still have not been paid.

To make things more difficult he is also a close family friend. I know many of you have probably been in a situation similar to this and I would like to know how you would handle this if you were in my shoes.

Thanks in advance for your advice!

3dogmama's picture

Perhaps there are some

Perhaps there are some personal grievances occurring in your client's life, or their cash flow is strapped, or they haven't received your invoice. I'd just verbally enquire, especially since they're a friend of the family and a person that you've been conducting business with for several years.

ciao
3dogmama

thornysarus's picture

Don't take it personally

Just a frank discussion may be in order. Especially nowadays. Everybody's feeling the pinch a bit.

I usually just tell my clients, "The bottom line is: I can't work for you unless I'm consistently paid in a timely manner."

Then I just shut up and let them ramble-on for awhile before bottom-lining it for them again.

If they make a habit of it, I send them to my competitor.

Terry Thornhill

e-zign Design Group

3dogmama's picture

"If they make a habit of it,

"If they make a habit of it, I send them to my competitor."

Like that bit of advice. Will have to remember that one!

ciao
3dogmama

GrAcUc79's picture

I guess ill have to be frank

I guess ill have to be frank with them as suggested and see what happens. I know eventually I'll get paid but like them I have my own expenses and bills to pay.

Seems like we designers always seem to get shafted somehow. Seems as if our industry is not appreciated for what we do. Something is wrong with that.

We need to make a living just like the mechanic down the street who I'm sure is payed promptly. Have they ever gone to grocery store and said I'll pay you later? Probably not... So why is it that we designers have to put up with this?

Sorry for the rant I am just having a bad day I guess.

gwells's picture

sadly, the mechanic can hold

sadly, the mechanic can hold onto your car until you pay him. it's a little more difficult to do that with design work, since they usually have the final product before they give you the final payment.

one of the things that's important to do (and you may do this, you didn't say) is to make sure that (a) you get deposits up front and (b) if the project's big enough, partial payments at milestones along the way. this makes someone being behind on a final payment less painful. it also means you can temporarily stop work if they're behind on a milestone payment and don't seem to be willing to pay promptly.

onegirlcreative's picture

Never send final product before final payment

I always give my clients low-res jpgs when viewing their work that's ongoing, and once they approve the final changes, I don't give them any high-res work for the printer until they pay me the balance. So in essence, we are like the mechanic who can hold onto the car until they pay me.

Sorry, but that's how I do it and to date, I haven't been screwed. Just the first time while I was in school, and it hasn't happened since. I also present them with a contract immediately upon receiving the first 50% payment, so I have that, as well to back me up.

suzanne maestri-walters :: graphic designer :: www.onegirlcreative.com

onegirlcreative's picture

Sorry

Safari was having issues so I accidentally sent this twice. Oops!

spigot's picture

2% late fee

I include a line in all my invoices that states any invoice thats 30 days past due (even though I use net 15) is subject to a 2% late fee... It doesn't always work, but its prompted a few clients to pay up.

~ spigotdesign.com

natobasso's picture

Do you have a contract? If

Do you have a contract? If so (good) and point out to your 'client' that you performed your end of the bargain.

Your client probably just forgot, which doesn't help you, but...

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GrAcUc79's picture

No, no contract was issued.

No, no contract was issued. I have never had an issue being paid up until now. It very well can be that he just forgot even though an invoice was mailed to him and I know he has received it.

I just hate that he is a close family friend and I wouldn't want to cause any potential problems between the family.

I do appreciate everyones input though.

Maybe I'll just go to the his restaurant and run up the bill to what he owes me and we'll call it even. lol

natobasso's picture

Always use a contract

First, especially when it's family: GET A CONTRACT. No exceptions. It's not a mean thing at all, it's two parties agreeing to an arrangement and spelling out what that arrangement is (Ie. payment terms).

Second, DONT WORK WITH FAMILY if you can help it. I've seen a lot of heartache happen as a result as you are currently experiencing. Okay, it's mild discomfort at the moment, but you know what I mean.

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gwells's picture

good points, both of them.

good points, both of them. and maybe with family (or close friends), contracts can be even *more* important, since they spell things out very deliberately.

family/friends sometimes expect special treatment and leniency. sometimes to an extreme, if you're not careful. spelling things out ahead of time is always important, but even more so when it's possible to get taken advantage of.

onegirlcreative's picture

He's the one causing problems by not paying, not you

You're just doing your job, and he hired you to do that job. So if anybody causes a conflict within your family, it would be HIM because he's the one who is being a weasel and not paying you promptly as promised.

suzanne maestri-walters :: graphic designer :: www.onegirlcreative.com

JobMatchNow's picture

You should contact your

You should contact your client and request that he meet you for a casual dinner or lunch, and then address him about the situation. Make sure he knows that you are aware he always pays on time when you tell your client he still owes you some money. You may never know, maybe there is some issues that he is dealing with and he is running a little low on money you have to take all things into consideration when you have this conversation with your client. I wish you the best of the luck please let us know of the outcome.

GrAcUc79's picture

I did finally get paid!!

I did finally get paid!! Woohoo!!

The day I sent him the email basically saying wheres my money in a very nice cordial way; that same day I got the check in the mail.

I kind of felt bad given that I sent the email saying wheres my money and then next thing you know it' in the mailbox.

Luckily it worked out good for me and thank you all for your suggestions and advice.

natobasso's picture

Great timing

Glad it all worked out! :)
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mara06's picture

I love endings like that.

I love endings like that. Aren't you happy that you were able to avoid a painful confrontation? Lesson learned, though. Always have a contract, and do get a deposit and work out milestone payments if the job lends itself to that. I think it's even more important to iron those things out with family, friends, or "old shoe" clients than anyone else.

I wish I took my own advice more often ;-)

Mara

CareerNetwork's picture

You might want to contact a

You might want to contact a lawyer to make sure you get your money from him

shoaf's picture

Sometimes this works for print designers...

Since I do almost 100% print work, I've had really good success with working with low-rez files until I get paid. I just hold all the hi-rez art hostage until I get payment. (About half my clients have me send the work directly to the print provider, or some other organization, so that makes it especially easy to hold final art as long as necessary.)

For web-based images and such, I would consider watermarking them until the funds are rec'd.

Obviously this won't work for everyone. YMMV

natobasso's picture

For the web make sure you

For the web make sure you develop on your own server and don't hand over the files till you get paid.

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