hello again :) I have created a postcard in illustrated (just the front design) and now I want to do the back in the same document so I was wondering how I add a second page to my document?
Thanks
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You don't need to have it in one page, per se, you can have it on two different documents. I have done this for front & back business cards, and I have never had any problems with a printer setting it up this way. Otherwise, if you truly want multiple pages, use InDesign since that's what it's intended for.
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ok thanx I just did a search on the net and have worked out that Ai doesnt actually have a multipule page set up. So I think I will just do the two diff docs and when it comes to my brochure I will design it in indesign :)
Illustrator is really made for one page document thangs.
If you are up for it (and its not for the faint of heart)-- I have a hack for making multiple page pdfs in illustrator that I do all the time.
• First of all lay out all your pages in illustrator (including whatever bleed you must have) next to each other. So you will have a wide horizontal document depending on how many pages you have. Adjust your document setup size so that it reflects the total area of all your pages exactly.
• Then under print > choose pdf as your printer.
• Verify all your print settings are correct. Including looking under the 'printer' dialog box at the bottom (this will let u choose where the pdf will go)
• Under setup select tile full pages.
• Under general choose media size custom and make that the size of one page. you should see little black lines on the preview that represent where the page breaks will be.
• Press print! Voila!
Yay! Celebrate.
I find this hack super helpful when I am designing lots of logos and I would like to break them up into pages for presentation or printing. I always design my logos in illustrator not indesign so this actually saves me a few minutes. And when I save the document it also remembers this setting so I only have to do it once.
But most likely u should listen to Nato and make all multi-page docs in InDesign where they really belong.
-T
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"best"-- define BEST....
BEST is to use InDesign.
Illustrator is not a page layout program, stop using it like it is. That's what ID is for. You realize that printing companies HATE it when you send them files like this, right?
Thanx :)
Why hack when ID is so easy to use?
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If you are doing a post card that only has two sides, why not use Illustrator? If that is what you are comfortable with, go for it. You might not want to do this on a 200 page magazine, but saying "never" use Illy for more than one page is ridiculous. There are things Illy does better than Indy and vice versa.
In my opinion you should use InDesign for layouts and Illustrator for vector art. Ever tried to export a pdf from illustrator with crop marks? Not as easy as it is in ID, is it. Eh? Who's with me? :)
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Not with you on that Nato. . . its dead easy to get crop marks in Illustrator when exporting a PDF. What's your point?
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Let me spell it out for you: It's easier in ID. Not only that, you can set your "live area" and "trims" with built in guides rather than having to drag out guides manually, as in AI.
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Let me translate. . .hehe
NO ONE takes my PDF and RIPs it directly. . . they either do one of two things. . . open it in Photoshop. . .yes Photoshop, re-save it as a TIFF and place it into Quark or some other app that the dinosaur RIP that they use uses OR they open it in ILLUSTRATOR and then send it to the RIP. . . the latter is the most common one. . .
I save a PDF X from Illustrator the same way I save it in InDesign. . . . the ONLY diff is, InD ASKS to 'use document bleed settings" and that's a plus. . .
Let me go further: I spent TWO MONTHS training my artists to use InDesign. I showed them how easy it is to use and to do stuff in. . . do they use it? No. I happened to glance over to one of my VERY talented artists and she was laying out a catalouge in . . .yep you guessed it. . . Illustrator. . . sigh. . . You just can't win!
So why fight it? If they want to use Illustrator I try to make them at LEAST do the PREFLIGHT thing properly and with PDF X its now easier to see problems b4 they go out. . . (all thanks to you Nato! :))
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InDesign is my strongest program but I'm pretty much expert level in Illustrator as well. I never had one second of doubt or confusion exporting from illy with crop marks ever.
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Another thing to consider is that some printers might charge a production fee if they have to use your two Illustrator files to set up a layout doc for output. Call whoever is going to be printing your postcard and ask them for their advice.
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Ideally Illustrator and InDesign would be one program and we wouldn't have any debate about "which program to use when". But for now, I still believe you make your vector art in Illustrator and let InDesign do what it does best: Multipage layout.
This isn't a hard and fast rule, just what I've found is most flexible and works best. I've done a lot of DVD packaging and let me tell ya, none of my print vendors wanted multiple illustrator files for the same job; nor did they want layouts in illustrator, period. Just PDF/X-1a files, ready for print.
Well, one vendor wanted outlined Illustrator files exclusively, but they always seemed to run into problems with this workflow (they were cheaper but this never paid off in the long run).
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Like you said, it isn't a hard and fast rule. Do what works best for you.
I do layouts in Illustrator all the time, and I have no issues whatsoever.
...sigh...
I guess I'm fighting a losing battle here, but a few thoughts before I let this one go.
Any printer that takes your pdf files and then strips all the font data out of them so they can rip raster files is on the low end of things. (I won't say they suck but they are in the realm of low-budget if they do this.) They create a larger file, and the fonts don't come out as nicely as they would have had they been left alone.
As far as workflow, Illustrator is great, and I use it all the time. However, why in heck would you use it for layout?! It's not intended for multipage layouts; it's just not. The fact it doesn't have multipage capability is proof of this. You can collect illustrator files using Art Files app; it's a great little app.
If you are in a capacity production environment, try placing graphics in Illustrator and then changing that graphic onthe fly. ID updates all your docs with that image. Illustrator doesn't. BIG drawback because you then have to go into each and every file with that graphic and updated it manually. Maybe CS3 AI is better at this but I know CS hadn't changed this.
As for AI crop marks, sure, you can do them there, but you have to go through a bunch of steps to do so, and once you do, you then have crops that are a bit hard to adjust. InDesign makes this process much easier, and you don't even have to SET crops marks. Just export and tell the exporter in ID to add the crops (and any other registration marks/info!) to your doc. Printers LOVE this. The good ones, anyway.
It drives me nuts when I get print files from other designers filled with dozens of guides in AI when all you have to do in ID is set your doc size as your trim and then add your live and bleed areas before the doc is even created, hit ok, and your doc is ready to go! AI does not make it this easy.
So anyway, just speaking from experience (I got our art department using a combined AI/ID workflow in 2 weeks and we had about a 95% file success rate) that has me using ID for layout/ final production and AI for vector art (PS for raster).
It's not that you shouldn't use AI, it's that I feel you should use it for what it was made for: Vector Art that is then placed in ID for production.
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While I agree with everything you say. . . what happens when you're trying to set up spreads? I know in InD CS2 you can use imposerSE to collate your pages and set them up as spreads and ad registration marks etc. BUT that feature is GONE in CS3. . . setting up spreads in InD CS3 sounds to be MUCH harder and one tutorial I saw told me to export all the pages as eps and then MANUALLY set up the spreads iin Illustrator. . . can't remember WHO told me that but that's what I know. . . any thoughts?
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not sure where you found that tutorial, but i would avoid that site in the future. ;)
there's just a different, i guess you'd call it a "plugin", in CS3 for imposition. quark bought ALAP, so adobe couldn't continue to use the old plugin. and while i liked the old one i tiny bit better, the new one works just fine.
it's file / print booklet. i've used it many times.
But its not as good as Imposer!
Oh well.
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How about clicking the "spread" button?! :)
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Oh well, our printers love us. They are cursing the people who send in 6 pages of illustrator docs.
:)