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Illustrator CS4 maximum size

Why the maximum size of a document is limited to 577.95cm? Strange thing. What people doing in case they need 800cm size of the document for example?
I tried CorelDRAW X4 and there is no limit for document size at all. You can have a measurment units in kilometers if you want :) Sometimes this is great.
What about Illustrator CS3? Is it also limited? I'm asking because maybe the size limit came together with new artboards feature in CS4.
Thanks.

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Ivan's picture

The reason for the limit is because there is simply no need to larger images. Billboards are done to 1:10 scale and hoardings are done as 1:20 -> 1:50 scale. You can make a file a kilometer long in Corel, but what's the use if nobody can ever print a kilometer long file. :)

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Correct answer Ivan!

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jozefk's picture
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Yeah I know you can't print kilometer long file of course. Printers has standard dimensions and they are printing part by part of that kind of artworks.
But I don;t know about this 1:10 and 1:20 - 50 scales. How is that works?
What about the resolution? We need 300dpi for printing and if you have 1:10 scale then you need to have higher resolution as well, I guess.
And what about PDF file you will deliever to printers? If you scale it down 1:10 how they will going to print from that something bigger and still with good quality/resolution. I don't understand this kind of things.

Thanks for reply :)

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jozefk's picture
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By the way some printers can print on very long pieces of papers. They have a rolls of paper but the width is not too big. Not more than 2 or 3 meters.

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Ivan's picture

When you do a 5x3m billboard for example you do it at 50x30cm in 300dpi. So the actual billboard will be printed at 30dpi which is perfectly enough for a billboard.

jozefk's picture
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I didn't know that. Thanks! Will do my new artwork as 55x30cm 300dpi and wait to see what the printers will say :)

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Art D. Rector's picture
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Ivan is correct (we actually go as low as 10dpi for billboards down here). I would just add that those roll printers usually have a size limit as well (meaning you can't print a kilometer worth of art just because the roll is that long.) Even if your software allowed you to create art that size, the RIPs have limits as to how much area they can image. And - unless things have changed greatly in the last few years - Corel is simply not a professional graphics tool and you shouldn't be using it unless there is no other choice. There are many issues with the software on the production end that the front end user doesn't see. Use Illustrator.

JMHO.

jozefk's picture
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I haven't use Corel for a years but these days I got to do 5.5x3m artwork. It's not a billboard but it is for exhibition stand design.
Yesterday I sent an email to the guys who will build the stand and asked them about this :) I think they aren't sure what kind of file I need to give them haha. They guy replied and asked me to make him 72dpi in original size! I didn't try to see what is the case with Photoshop but Illustrator can't make it more than 5.77m.
Then I replied and told him about that and he said I'm right and asked me for 1/2 of the original size haha.

By the way, for next exhibition we will have 6m wide artowork in the background wall on the stand.

What is the function of Corel if people can't use it in professional work?

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Art D. Rector's picture
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An exhibition stand is different than a billboard and you need different resolution. Usually something that you can walk right up to (within a few feet or so) should have 72-100 ppi resolution. The reason a billboard can be at such low res is because it is being viewed from so far away - they are usually 20ft off the ground and the people reading them are driving by in cars or something, so they don't need to be super crisp and sharp up close. An exhibition stand is usually viewed from 3-6 feet away, so it doesn't need to be super sharp like a magazine ad - but it needs to be sharper than a billboard. See what I'm saying? Then a magazine ad needs to be in the 200-300 ppi range because you're holding it a few inches away from your face as you read.

Corel sells itself as a professional drawing program, but there are (or were - again, I haven't seen it in quite awhile) problems with the way the program handled certain aspects of the final production - gradients turned to blends, rgb colors didn't translate correctly to cmyk, etc... One of the problems - that might affect you - was it allowed you to create a large document that could not be printed. Better to just use Illustrator - everyone is familiar with that program and it does what the manual says it does. It also does anything that Corel can do.

jozefk's picture
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I'm using Illustrator all the time. Corel looks nice but I never used it for professional work, ah actually I did, that was really long time ago. 5 or 6 years ago I did one book in Corel but that kind of printing was different.

I understand about resolution, distance and that things. Thanks for explanation. I'll just make a real size, 72dpi, in Photoshop and that's it. I don't like to use Photoshop for this kind of things but they want real size :) I'm using Photoshop for retouching images, Illustrator for ads and things like that, InDesign for magazines and so on.

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ireid's picture
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I always tell this story to young 'uns in the business (man now I feel OLD!) lol

I had a production company a few years ago DEMAND that I send them a 15'x40' billboard "actual size at 300dpi" Wouldn't accept me saying ANYTHING else, kept saying "the resolution would be too low!" lol

I laughed and asked them if they had a direct line to the ILM super computers that render Movie CGI. . . There was NO computer that I knew (at the time and still) that could DO such a thing! LOL The file would have been at LEAST 3 gb in size to build in layers in photoshop. . . Oh they ALSO wanted it in layers. . .why? Only God knows. . .

I sent the file as 1":1' at 400dpi layered and the billboards printed JUST fine.

Just goes to show, someone tells them the PRINTER can PRINT high resolution (1200DPI), BUT who's gonna be able to SUPPLY that final resolution?! lol

"Try not, Do! or do not, there is no try."
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Ivan's picture

I know I had a job recently creating wallpaper designs and the printer would not accept anything but 300dpi. Finally I sent them a 300dpi file at 1:1 size. It was 4.3GB. They immediately called back apologizing. :)

Art D. Rector's picture
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The whole 300ppi thing is pure hoakum propagated by people who don't understand Postscript. It's been around so long, it's now become some kind of golden rule that even production people - who should know better - pass along as the final word on imaging. It's nonsense. It only applies to images being output at 150 line screen and up. That's all. Not everything. Not billboards. Not wallpaper. Only jobs being printed at 150 line screen and even then you can go lower.

aaustin's picture
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If it's a vector file, using absolutely no raster graphics, you can send them the 1:10 scale and if they feel the need to make it larger, they should have the ability to scale it up themselves instead of you having to waste time and bandwidth uploading a 3+ GB file.

jozefk's picture
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It isn't only vector. There are some images with pixels.
Not a problem. Will give them 1:1 72dpi and they can enjoy.

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Art D. Rector's picture
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You can size the other way too - run a file 1/10 the size with photos 10x the resolution. Scare the heck out of the production house. :-)

Just watch your pdf settings if you plan on going that route.

jozefk's picture
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haha that would be interesting :))

Will give them TIFF or JPEG this time. No PDF. Don't like Photoshop PDFs too much.

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