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Is it difficult to be in the Graphic Design profession and raise a family?

sammybunny's picture

This may sound like an odd question, but is it more difficult to be in the Graphic Design profession and raise a family? I guess it depends on what you get into as far as what kind of job you have as a Graphic Designer, but I want to have kids someday and I'm just not sure if I would be so consumed with work that I wouldn't be able to raise a family. Do you guys have any suggestions or experience on this?

Thanks,
Samantha

natobasso's picture

I have a family, my daughter

I have a family, my daughter just turned one year old. I am supporting my family on just my salary as a web designer but here are the sacrifices I'm currently making:

1. Paying for my own health care (company's health care plan sux)
2. Living in a 1br apt for all three of us to save on rent (Southern California rents are outrageous)
3. Have two very fuel efficient cars. :)

The Graphic Design profession itself, unless you are a senior designer or at a larger company, makes it tough on a family because it just doesn't pay well in most markets. I've seen Admin Assistant jobs that pay more than those for graphic designers.

You can always make it work, but being a Graphic Designer without any other skills (web being a good one to have these days) makes it super tough. That's why I became a web designer so I could make more money.

Most of the graphic designers I know work full time and do freelance on the side to make ends meet. You end up working a lot more than 40 hours just to pay the bills.

Go to http://www.indeed.com to find jobs in your area; some have salary offerings. To see salaries in your area, go to http://www.salary.com.

Hope that helps.

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sammybunny's picture

Thanks for the advice

Wow, thanks for the advice. I always try to talk to my professor about the careers in this field, but they don't tell me much. It frustrates me because I really want to do well in this field. Do you think Graphic Designers are underpaid for all the work they do?

It's always been a concern that I won't be able to be there for my kids when I get older if I stick with this career.

natobasso's picture

Repositioned myself

I think it's harder and harder to just be a Graphic Designer (for print) anymore. I repositioned myself to be a Web Designer and it's been great. Doubled my salary in three years (changed careers just this year, officially) and now I'm on track to become a Web Developer which will triple my salary in 2003. Pretty sweet!

Our world demands creatives be creative in all media, not just one. Unfortunately, unless you live in L.A. or N.Y. it's getting harder and harder to specialize. Definitely find a job with benefits, 401K, and a good health plan. Those things save you so much headache in the long run.

However, there's nothing stopping you from trying to do the freelance thing and if it hits big, more power to ya!

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pokie's picture

Both my husband and I work

Both my husband and I work in the field. We have a very nice home, 2 kids, a dog... it's a good, decent living (no new cars or anything, they've been paid off since before we got married).

You can always work for a company plus have freelance on the side if you need to make ends meet. We do fine the way we are though, if we had a 3rd kid, we'd be paying more in childcare than one of us makes.

Will your wife work outside the home? A guy at my work can pull off keeping his wife at home with their kid (credit cards are helping). But, we couldn't do it on just one income. Where you work as well as what exactly you're doing really determines a lot. And remember, unless you have connections, it's going to be a while before you get your first gig. I was out of school for a year and a half before I got my first real job. Others I know who had internships around the time they were finished with school got hired after graduating.

Good luck and keep us posted. Marry a doctor... ;)

sammybunny's picture

Haha well...

Haha well...I would be the wife. I'm not even out of college yet, but I ask very real questions for the future. I probably sound like a nut, but I always try to inform myself. I get down sometimes because I really want to make this work for me as a career and to be with my family (when I have one someday) and I want to be there for my kids and to be able to support them.

Marry a doctor..nice tip, thought of that before, slim pickings ;p

Thank you for your advice.

pokie's picture

You'd think I'd have looked

You'd think I'd have looked at your name before I replied. ;)

I'm the wife too, and mother. It works. I don't have to work over 40 hours a week if I don't want to. There is a balance, you just have to find it.

BretJG's picture

There are a lot of factors

There are a lot of factors involved - such as cost of living in your area, the payscale in your area for designers, your niche in design and how much you wish to put into it.

As nattobosso said, web and development really is a good place to be to make descent money.

If you only devote enough time to be a designer, then you will only make 35-60k + or -.

If you push hard, work a ton and are always learning, you may be able to put yourself in the position as a creative director, or owner of a firm and make significantly more than 60k.

The other large factor is asking yourself what kind of lifestyle you want to live. If you want a new BMW every other year...marry a doctor.

Half of being a designer/developer IS enjoying what you do and not loathing work every day!

Cheers,

Bret

ireid's picture

Hear Hear

Best advice anyone ever gave me:

"Like what you do and do what you like."

lol

"Try not, Do! or do not, there is no try."
-Yoda

sammybunny's picture

Thanks

Thanks for the input. I don't want to live a posh life or anything like that, I just want to take care of my family and be there for them. I understand that I will work a lot, but I just don't want to kill myself over it that I won't be able to enjoy or be there for my family.

=)

thornysarus's picture

A few tips for freelancers with Families

I'll be glad to elaborate on any of these, but most should be self-explanatory.

1. If working from home, have a dedicated work area with a door. Have a lock on the door and use it. A separate entrance for clients is a plus.

2. Work time is work time. Family time is Family time. If clients call after hours, send them to voicemail.

3. Working from home is not a substitute for Daycare.

4. Don't use debt for anything other than the house. Pay cash for everything else. If you don't have the cash, make-do with what you have and save-up.

5. Live simply and practically on purpose.

6. Have a hobby that forces you to leave the house.

7. Put your kids to work and pay them for it. My 12 year old has been editing video professionally for 3 years. She buys her own iPods. :)

8. Keep home and business accounts, budgets, expenditures and income separate. You'll thank me at tax time.

9. Don't get involved if you notice the Rotor Rooter Man and the lady across the street are having an affair. Just trust me on this one.

10. Enjoy the lifestyle that you've created for yourself and your family. I often hear, "It must be nice..." Yeah. It is. It's Very nice. :)

Terry Thornhill

e-zign Design Group

ireid's picture

That made me chuckle:

"9. Don't get involved if you notice the Rotor Rooter Man and the lady across the street are having an affair. Just trust me on this one."

please don't elaborate!

and this is just weird though:
"7. Put your kids to work and pay them for it. My 12 year old has been editing video professionally for 3 years. She buys her own iPods. :)"

So she started video editing at 9?! wow child prodigy! :)

"Try not, Do! or do not, there is no try."
-Yoda

thornysarus's picture

#7: Child Prodigy

Not really... She's ultra creative and has always had the tools available to create whatever she wants, be it video, print, silkscreening, painting, and the list goes on.

Kids pick up on most anything they find an interest in and just absorb it like a sponge. That's true. And they'll keep absorbing until they've had enough.

I think the real reason that she's been able to do what she does is because nobody has ever told her that she can't. :)

Terry Thornhill

e-zign Design Group

natobasso's picture

Skill

And she's got a head start on a career she can use for a lifetime; or until we all just plug into the Matrix. :)

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thornysarus's picture

Yeah...

I tried to teach my eldest Flash when he was like 12. He's 18 now and is still kicking himself in the ass for not picking it up. He says he's constantly reminded how sweet it would be for him now if he'd just stuck with it (as he's waiting on customers and cleaning the floors at GameStop).

:)

Terry Thornhill

e-zign Design Group

sammybunny's picture

I love the lists

These lists are great. Especially number 9.

natobasso's picture

Deets

Yes, more on #9 please. :)

Terry, you're the man. This list is awesome. Your studio is too.

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thornysarus's picture

More on #9

Ok... I live out in the boonies, about 25 miles west of Nashville. The houses out here have a lot of property around them and are spaced out quite a bit. My neighbors are mostly blue collar workers and leave for work early, but they know that I'm always here since I work from home. Many of them ask me to keep an eye on their place during the day.

I pulled into my drive one day and my neighbor walked over asked if I'd noticed if the Rotor Rooter man had been by his place that day. I replied, "yeah... Is he replacing all the plumbing in hour house? He's been by every day it seems for the past month!"

True story. :)

Terry Thornhill

e-zign Design Group

ireid's picture

Budump Bum CHING!

LOL!

"Try not, Do! or do not, there is no try."
-Yoda

natobasso's picture

Oh man

Terry, great story my friend. Man! Hope the cheating neighbor didn't come a knockin on your door!

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thornysarus's picture

hehe...

I just hope I don't need a plumber anytime soon. :)

Terry Thornhill

e-zign Design Group

pokie's picture

touche!

touche!

3dogmama's picture

Don't sleep with a drip.

Don't sleep with a drip. Call your plumber.

Sorry. Couldn't resist!

ttfn!
3dogmama

thornysarus's picture

LMAO :)

Ok... Should I come across a Plumber/Escort Service that needs a new slogan, I'll make sure you get residuals.

Too damn funny. :)

Terry Thornhill

e-zign Design Group

matt sweitzer's picture

Location can help

My wife and i are both creative pro's and we manage to keep the lights on and the bills paid. We have 2 kids and enjoy being home for them when they get home from school and able to be there for them when they need us.

I agree with the comments made above and would just like to add the location factor. With the advent of the internet it's allowed us to work for people all over the world without the expense of a "brick & mortar" studio. This allows a family to choose an area with an affordable cost of living and work at wages of a major city (as long as you skill level and experience is up to par). This also supports your fellow creative pros by not undercutting them. Just remember to stock pile that extra cash for when the slow times come.

onegirlcreative's picture

Good points, Matt

I, too, am working freelance full time now. As some of you may remember, I was recently laid off before the holidays. Not necessarily a big deal, because I was only working part time to begin with (and practically making no money). BUT, it was a nice reprieve for me to get out of the house, meet some new people/contacts, and network! Even though I only worked there for 9 months, I made a significant amount of contacts along the way. Met a few possible future clients that loved my work while I was there, so I'm hoping that something can really materialize in the future. ONe of the clients already has contacted me (before I got laid off) to hire me to do some design work for him. This guy is VERY well known in this town, so I'm sure it'll really beef up my portfolio and resumé.

Also, I live in an area (60 miles north of Denver) that is not necessarily known for a thriving design area, unfortunately. The best places would be Denver or Boulder—but I commuted for 4 years (before, during and after my pregnancy) and I don't want to do it again; especially with our winters.

So I'm stuck trying to find a job here locally. Which brings me to my next point. Since being laid off, my husband and I both agree that if I could make it on strictly freelance, then that would be the way to go. Unfortunately, I don't have a separate office, per se, but I do have a nice work area that is extremely efficient. We live in a loft, so there's a lot of open space—and I refuse to put my workstation in my bedroom. Something about it not being zen? LOL

Anyway, when I was working part time, I was still doing my freelance business. I've had my business (basically my trade name as I've been working from home the whole time) since July 2003, and just this past year I've been doing very well financially. So it's just finally picked up. I guess that's why we're willing to give it a go this time to see how it pans out.

My daughter is 8 and since she's in 2nd grade, we don't have to pay for daycare or anything like that. However, I honestly think if we had a second child (which we're not planning on), we'd be in the poor house. My husband doesn't make the best living, but not bad either. He works full time for Xerox, but is trying to beef up his clientele with personal training (Xerox is there for the awesome benefits, not the income, unfortunately) so he can quit Xerox and justify paying $700/month for insurance through the health club. God, we need a new president! Another subject...

I hope this helps you. Sorry I babbled. You do have a huge advantage sammy, you're young and you're single. Start now and build your portfolio and clientele. Then by the time you do get married and have kids, you'll be good to go! Good luck!

suzanne maestri-walters :: graphic designer :: www.onegirlcreative.com

natobasso's picture

Aetna Family Plan

justify paying $700/month for insurance through the health club

You should contact Aetna asap. I have a family plan through them (my company's health plan sucks; and I work at a healthcare software company?!) and I pay $398/month.

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onegirlcreative's picture

Interesting...

We may have to look into that, because it looks like you only have one child, as well? So it's just the three of you? That's what we would need, too. But maybe our age would hinder that. You seem a lot younger than me—I am 42, my husband is 45. So that maybe an issue, as well.

natobasso's picture

Near your age

I don't want to disclose my exact age but suffice to say I'm pushing 40. :) Three in my family as well, yes.

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onegirlcreative's picture

Wimp! =P

LOL

natobasso's picture

Nah, just smart. Personal

Nah, just smart. Personal information must be protected these days...

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onegirlcreative's picture

I know....

I'm just giving you grief. I wasn't really calling you a wimp. LOL

natobasso's picture

yep

I know that. :) I should have added a smiley to my last post, ha ha.

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sammybunny's picture

Thank you

It's nice to get feedback from people who are out there in the real world with real experiences. From what I'm hearing, location is a big thing to consider and building up your experience and portfolio because that's what get's you the jobs.

natobasso's picture

Contacts

And don't forget your contacts snowball. Word travels exponentially if you get yourself out there enough and do good work.

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pokie's picture

DEFINITELY CONTACTS!!

DEFINITELY CONTACTS!!

gwells's picture

having a "sugar mama" (or sugar daddy) helps

i make a decent living inhouse. i do occasional freelance work (including one very large $25k job over 18 months in my "spare" time) to supplement. i would be comfortable at my salary by myself. it would be a lot tougher raising a family in this area (DC) on that money (but doable, people get by on far less for a family). but my wife makes significantly more than i do (and has better long-term prospects for exponential increases).

now, if I lived somewhere less expensive, this salary would go a *whole* lot further. and if i wanted to buy a house now instead of 10 years ago, i'd be in trouble. scary when "starter houses" are close to a half million now around here. :(

freelance money let's me do things for myself (like the downpayment for my truck). speaking of which, i need to find another one of those "big, long-term" freelance projects like the one i mentioned above. the house needs work. ;)

melange's picture

I live outside of baltimore

I live outside of baltimore and the housing prices here are OUTRAGEOUS. Luckily the housing prices dipped just enough for my fiance and I to purchase our starter house, but even for a house by the train tracks, in a horrible school district with bad crime, our place was still $250k and needed lots of work.

That being said, I make a decent living here. By decent, I mean I probably wouldn't starve. It's hard for me to judge because thankfully I have a fiance who chose a well paid career path.

I think the real trick, is to be as diversified as possible. I'm learning web design, I have recently taught myself screen printing, I know flash and multimedia stuff, and I have a few years experience in prepress. Every little thing you learn, makes you worth that much more.

I think every business has some facet that makes it hard on families. I'm sure every cop, firefighter, doctor, lawyer, factory mechanic has taken away time from family. On top of that there are tons of other jobs that force you to be in danger or something of the sort.

matt sweitzer's picture

how far out of Baltimore?

North? (Timonium) or more toward DC?

I live in York, PA and we have a bunch of Baltimore commuters. More of them live in the southern part of the county. From my house it's about 1 hour, depending on traffic. I bought my house for just under 100K but the housing market really jumped up in the last 10 years. I live in a pretty good school district, a nice yard and not next to the RR track, but I do have to deal with the lovely smell of the farmer fertilizing from time to time.

: )

Leigh's picture

It's the same as most other professions

Hey there.

I've just made a jump to graphic and web design after being a mainframe IT analyst for over a decade at a large bank. Admittedly my design business is just starting out but I don't think raising a family as a graphic artist is any different than raising a young family in many other professions.

Increasingly employers (in Toronto at least) expect their professional employees to be work long hours regardless of whether or not you have kids. Sure, it's doable if you have an obliging spouse to take care of the home front but few women seem to have this support. (My apologies to all you enlightened males out there). I have a 6 year old for which I'm the primary caregiver as my partner works nights and weekends and my job became a nightmare once I became a parent. Work-life balance isn't a priority for many work places.

The great thing about being a graphic designer is that you can freelance and work the hours that work best for your family.

But the real question is: Do you love graphic design? If so, do it! You'd be amazed at how little money you can live on when you're doing what you love.

Best of luck.

dburney's picture

The shop is very important…

I've worked in small to medium agencies, I've worked in corporate in-house situations, now I'm with a small design studio. I also have several friends doing it on their own and are very happy with the freedom it provides them.

The key is working for and with the right people. My boss (owner of the studio) is very adamant about employees having a family life. We work hard and sometimes long hours, but we're never expected to sacrifice our families for it (unlike most of the agencies I've worked at). We go through busy spurts, but I make all the soccer games, take off early to get the kids to practice, or the ortho if necessary. I can always do some work from home or come back later if necessary. It all depends on the mindset and the culture of the workplace. A hard-nose adshop will work you to death and expect you sleep on a cot (or in my case, nap on the floor). Some people have the "do what you gotta do" attitude to make you feel guilty for having a family. In the corporate world, it's usually not a problem for in-house designers - you have the same number of hours for sick/vacation as everyone else, it just depends on how important your in-house duties are to corporate.

Here's what I've found from a salary and family friendly standpoint (keep in mind, much of this depends on the size of the company, the local market and the people running the show):

  • Ad Agency - pays very good - works your arse off, reasonably good benefits, room for growth, decent pay raises and bonuses, you will likely sleep in your office at some point.
  • In-House - pays well - typically 8-5 unless you work for a design oriented marketing team (Starbucks, GAP, etc.) Good benefits, less growth opportunities, may or may not be family friendly depending on corporate culture.
  • Design Studio - decent pay - typically on lower end, more casual atmosphere (all this relates to less than 10 employees), less than stellar benefits, good bonuses, good growth opportunities, find the right boss and help them grow their business!
  • Freelance - typically the bottom of the pay scale - but not always. More freedom to work when you want, with people you want. You control your schedule. No benefits, no bonuses, no annual salary increase, but more opportunities for family time. You will work a lot! The plus side to this is the growth aspect - if you want the business to grow you could eventually be running your own studio or agency - then you get to determine what family means to you and your employees.

Just my 2 cents from my 10+ years of experience - your mileage may vary :)
Good luck.

sammybunny's picture

When people say...

When people say, "It depends on who you know and finding the right people," do you find that with experience or through a chain of people? How does that work? I like the information you gave me, it's all very helpful!

pokie's picture

I found my first web design

I found my first web design job through my mom-- embarrassing, but true!

I found the current position I am in through the newspaper-- but, one of my references was one of my college instructors. He apparently worked here at some point (I didn't know at the time). He gave me a stellar recommendation.

I've gotten some bites on freelance from just about anyone who had heard from either my friends or family. Make sure people around you know what you're doing so they can tell people about you when someone says, "I wish I had a website".

onegirlcreative's picture

It's all about networking in this business

I would say, 95% of my clients are repeat clients, or because they heard about me through somebody that I either knew, or worked with. I honestly feel that yes, although portfolio and experience help, networking is definitely key. I have only gotten ONE design job from an ad in the paper. My other jobs were because of "who I knew." It's so sad, but so true.

I'm not sure where you're located, but if you're in the states, and you're still a student, join the AIGA. Here in Colorado, when I was a student (only $60/year) we formed the CSU AIGA (Colorado State Univ), and we had very informative speakers coming for advice or whatever. And the AIGA meets every Tuesday in Denver. That is where you can really network. It's amazing!

suzanne maestri-walters :: graphic designer :: www.onegirlcreative.com

natobasso's picture

True, like anything else

True, like anything else timing is everything. If you are ready for the work when it comes, you're hired! :)

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dburney's picture

The Chain…

Definitely through networking and keeping in touch with previous instructors, interns, employees, friends, AIGA or Art Directors clubs, etc. I'm not the most social person, nor do I have a huge list of contacts, but the ones I do have are directly responsible for every position I've ever had. Of course, experience gains you more connections. And I've yet to work any place that has just placed an ad for a designer in the classifieds - they've always looked within the industry first. Posting positions through CA's Creative Hotlist, or with local AIGA or Art Directors Clubs. That's not to say you won't find anything in newsprint - it just isn't typical. But don't worry too much, your contacts happen naturally, it's your friends, your vendors, etc.

gwells's picture

yup, really is all about networking

and it comes from all avenues, some from experience and some through just talking to people.

AIGA has been my best avenue, in many ways. at least one full-time job came directly from an AIGA contact. when i was freelancing, i got fill-in gigs in studios from AIGA, referrals from other AIGA members (either when they were too busy or when i was a better fit for the work), and just good advice when i had questions (either on the local AIGA listserv or just calling people and asking). just knowing other designers/art directors/studio owners because of my involvement in AIGA gave me tons of opportunities that i wouldn't otherwise have had.

if you don't have AIGA where you are, find other organizations and take the opportunity to involve yourself. just joining is nice, but you actually have to go to events, meet people, put yourself out there. if you've made friends in school, make it a point to stay in contact. same with people you've gotten to know at work. you never know when they can be useful contacts down the line. i've gotten freelance work from editors i worked with at one job after they left and moved to another company. they remembered liking my work and enjoying working with me and contacted me later. but you have to keep up with them to make that work.

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