Some of you guys are going overboard with the childish comments. I realize some of these critiques are nothing more than spam, but this clearly isn't.
If you need a "creative brief" to critique this poster then you're a complete idiot. Not every piece of creative needs a brief. It's a promo poster for a band playing a concert in a bar for Chrissakes.
And since when is their a rule that the work posted here has to be brand new?
Some of you really need to get over yourselves already.
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Creative briefs do benefit critiques just as they benefit the design process. Sure, this is just a show poster, but without some kind of information of the purpose, requirements, and what the designer was trying accomplish, I believe that we can not efficiently critique.
Maybe I was going to say the font of the band's name is terrible. But maybe the designer had to use it because thats the bands 'logo' - this could have been included in the brief. A better explaination of a project will help the person critiquing understand the overall scope and hopefully make better suggestions for improvement.
Jim, I love your tone in every post. It's so high and mighty. You need to get over yourself - you sound like a ass.
I agree with David on this one. What is so wrong about asking for more information? I would like to give them the best critique that I can. If my post asking for more information was so "childish" why do you think you can post a comment putting that down and not even critique it at all yourself? Who died and put you in charge? I seriously had respect for your posts until this one.
There is no rule against posting old work. I just wanted to know why they did. Maybe they were looking to redesign it for an upcoming concert or summat. Geez.
I happen to think a creative brief is incredibly important when critiquing artwork - it lets the critics understand your efforts and attempted message. It's possible that the designer would want opinions on a certain aspect or area - having more of a brief would also inform us of such.
excuse me but you guys seem to be very meticulous here. it could have been fine if it's for the design.but not-- instead with questions that can satisfy your guts to be able to comment.
is it for the sake of having something to say? coz so far, nobody has ever helped at all.
well then ok, for the Design brief, i thought it was crying out loud of the poster, and i mentioned, Biker's bar concert. you dont expect florals or stars on a group of bikers do you? does this band look like Mariah Carey to you guys?
they seem grungry gothic, dont they? Hence the layout.
Most clients just want OUTPUT and they dont friggin have any idea, and you (A DESIGNER) tells them what you have in mind. You ask infos, particular preferences, target market-- sure, but you decide for the brief. why do i need to explain the brief here really? to prove to you i have followed it?
i have a limitless brief, an i have no rules. and im sorry if you guys are a bunch of designers who simply follow clients... im not merely one of you, i give them ideas and concept of what could be better.
btw, what's OLD or NEW got to do with it?
how does it help you critique?
I post it now, and it's PRESENT.
Someone should have pointed you toward the many discussions that have happened here regarding the critique section; sorry you had to bear the brunt of the frustration.
Normally, folks post art here and give a short brief/explanation of the idea behind it and the message that's being presented. Only with that information can we have an objective platform from which to give positive advice, compliments or constructive criticism.
I like what you've done. The only thing I'd say is to pick one element and highlight it. The band photo is very small (capitalize on the good looks of its members; helps sell tickets and/or beer!). Maybe make that larger, or make it the entire background.
Be patient with us here. As with anything the energy ebbs and flows and any low comes up eventually.
I don't think meticulous is really the word you're looking for. All designers should be meticulous and perfectionists to boot!
The reason the design brief is important - We spend all this time writing reviews and posting critiques and it seems fair that you should have to write a little bit about a poster you worked on. You probably spent a lot of time making it, so i'm sure you'd have lots of things to say about it. Don't assume we know what you're doing and how you're doing it - we weren't there.
All you had to say here was
a) I was allowed to do whatever i want
b) it's a band that sounds like _______ -
done. that's all we needed to know but at least it's something.
The reason we want a "brief" or something about the project, is that it eliminates all the stupid questions we have to ask in order to find out more information. The more information that is given, the more feedback you get back - enough said.
The reason most people post critiques, is to help further an ongoing design or to get feedback on an idea. If we critique it now, it's not really going to change with our suggestions is it?
That being said - I'll critique it.
a) i dislike most of the fonts. They don't look grungy, they just look distorted and fake. This is an ongoing issue i've seen in lots of design. If you want a grungy font, make it yourself. Most of those little grungy fonts on the free websites look pretty mediocre and look even worse as they get larger. On top of that, you have the name of the band twice in a very small area, in two different fonts, and on two different angles. Looks weird.
b) the bright white line across the middle - I don't even see a reason for it. It's distracting and takes away from the name of the band.
c) the four little pictures on the right? too small - i can't even see what they are really. I think if i was a hot chick band I'd want people to be able to see me better. All their pictures are small and insignificant - even the top one. Of course i can't see this to scale and because there's no design brief i have no idea how big this poster is so i'm not even sure if this is an issue or not. Again - a design brief would have helped here as well.
d) when i look at the poster, i'm totally drawn to the bottom. I don't even really read anything else. that large white arc thing is taking over the whole poster.
I think with a "grungy gothic" band, you should be pushing the envelope. To be honest, there are so many of these bands in the world, this doesn't look special. I hope this review helps.
first of, im a graphic designer and not a font designer. meaning, works are divided by specialization. and why would i create one even? it's not included in my "job description". i would, for my personal artworks though. thanks for the idea.
honestly, what's fuelling me is not the critique, just that you people here got a real attitude. enough to say, feeling righteous. rude and with improper conduct. you speak harshly on your comments, while a real critic speak with meaning. in this case, r you people really helping or simply mocking? you think the longer the comment, the greater you become doesnt it? ---NOT! instead of choosing the right words. you ask/speak like as if the people posting here are too dumb fucked and much less than who you are.
btw, this is a low budgeted poster, that they cant even provide high resolution pics.truth is, i dont even have to explain a very detailed brief. though i should have known that rule during my 5th day of stay here as you dont give newbies some break. ask specifics, if you really meant to help.but dont nail me nor anybody to cross if we missed putting anything or posted a raw photograph here.
what a shame, i dont see any of your portfolio in here, i might find a lot of inspiration with your work as well, that'd be a great help instead.
to top it all, you sounded like an american emo and i cant help but shake my head in disgust. you, you criticize as per your own "eye candy" or taste or style. but i cant see any of your work. do yourself a favor, try deviantart and you'd prolly find your self salivating in envy for a real work of art/ design.
i'd better seek those who have aged and worked years in design. those that is far from a standard or norm. i could learn a lot of things in here by simply reading. yet so far, just by browsing i see too little intelligent artworks. this seem to be not the community for me. and hey,after all being a graphic designer is only for work and i dont need to get into hierarchy of crab mentalities.
a.) Your attitude sucks. I'll refrain from critiquing your work in the future - don't expect many other people to do that either.
b.) I wasn't being "harsh," I was being honest.
c.) you called yourself the "newb," but I wouldn't have known that if you hadn't said it - I was being informative. If you took it as negative, that's your own business.
d.) 90% of Deviantart sucks.
e.) My portfolio is not up and running yet, but there are a few of my works up on critique. Feel free to rip them apart - it's what i'm here for. If i wanted people to just like what i did - I'd go call my mom who loves every pile of shit i make.
f.) I've been a professional designer/prepress person for almost 5 years now, thanks.
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well tell you frankly, your attitude sucks evenly balanced.ur not some sort of a diva here, are you? btw, you werent actually being honest (as you pretend it). you counter attacked me from your prior comment, whilst you have zero notion of' honesty as you speak harsly. did they teach ethics where you grew? oh and another thing, my mother dont love each shit i make. im a genuinely good hearted person and a certified cynic. when im good im really good, and when im bad -- im much better. im an artist, what's your excuse for being a jerk?
deviantart sucks? you rather follow rules and design brief and your i-live-to-work money eyed clients than deviate? then you're a wannabe artist. roflol.
5years? wow... i've been a designer with a fine arts degree and you speak "damn" well about your putain de merde. knowing each tool of a graphic program or the latest "trend" whatsoever doesnt make you a good designer. concept is much more important. and please, dont try to act so grand, coz you're just one typical american.
im a newbie in creativebits, but i dont need to spoon feed you every information and teach you how to suck eggs.
where did mothers come into the picture, and sucking eggs, and all the other crap?!? holy shit, and also, throwing in the french swearing in there isn't needed either.
i think everyone in here just went over the friggin top, all based on two questions, what's the brief, and why post an old picture? that's it... everyone just seemed to blow this up for no good ol' reason...
with that said, someone should just kill the whole thread already.
again, i say this laughing, like my last post. i think everyone got a pickel stuck in their _ _ _
i'll admit my mistake, i missed her reference to her mom.. with that said, i'm not biased, i'm just sick and tired of everyone getting up on their fuckin soap boxes to bitch and moan about other people's comments. like i said, it started with a simple question. that wasn't your fault, and it wasn't seraphim's fault for being curious.
i never said french cursing was greater then english cursing, but bringing in a foreign language isn't necessary. :)
again, i'm not biased, i'm just tired of the pissing contests and soap boxing some people seem to be taking these days. they know who they are...
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1) i agree, a small brief (readers digest version works fine!) helps. i encourage it only for the sake of being able to give a better feedback.
2) it's a crit section, everyone's entitled to an opinion
3) it's old, it's new, it's now, it's yesterday, who gives a shit. people are allowed to post what they want when they want. real client? fake client? yourself? your mom? your wife? i don't give a shit, maybe just tell us so we can be able to crit with the right state of mind.
4) yes, some people all of a sudden think they're high and mighty in here.
5) no, we aren't saying you should become a font designer. Not everyone has it in the budget to do that, i know i don't ever have it in my time budget, but i do charge the client when i need to buy a good font. I never use the free font sites.
6) yes, 90% of deviantart does suck. but remember, there's 10% of it that's good, just gotta go digging for it and find it.
7) what was childish about asking for a bit more of a brief and that it was old? it helps to find out what the intention is. We don't know if they're posting to use this as a holding site like Deviantart seems to have become, or if they're looking to learn to do something better/different/new for the same client or same venue, either now, or down the road.
8) did i mention this seems to be a pissing contest? if so, then why?!?
9) remember, please, that tone of voice is lost online. I'm not standing on my soap box listing things like i'm high and mighty, i'm listing these off with a fat smile laughing like an innocent little school girl.
mouhahahaha (ok, little school girls don't laugh like that... i suck at impersonations!)
Submitted by hollynichole on Sun, 2008-02-03 00:03.
I was just looking around online at different links for Jaggedy Ann. I am actually in the band. I just wanted to say that I have never seen this poster. It seems that people often take it upon themselves to take your pictures and make things out of them. That is perfectly ok with me.. I just dont think you can take things like this too seriously. We didnt design it- we arnt promoting it, but it is cool that someone else is.
A biker bar in Manila... ah, last time I was on stage at a biker bar I came away with first prize for being the funniest comedienne. Won a big black duffel canvas bag (which I still proudly own) and lots of beer.
I have a cousin living and working in Manila right now. I'm surprised she hasn't tried to join your band.
Why are you posting old
Why are you posting old artwork? More of a brief, please?
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Oh cmon...
Some of you guys are going overboard with the childish comments. I realize some of these critiques are nothing more than spam, but this clearly isn't.
If you need a "creative brief" to critique this poster then you're a complete idiot. Not every piece of creative needs a brief. It's a promo poster for a band playing a concert in a bar for Chrissakes.
And since when is their a rule that the work posted here has to be brand new?
Some of you really need to get over yourselves already.
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I disagree...
Creative briefs do benefit critiques just as they benefit the design process. Sure, this is just a show poster, but without some kind of information of the purpose, requirements, and what the designer was trying accomplish, I believe that we can not efficiently critique.
Maybe I was going to say the font of the band's name is terrible. But maybe the designer had to use it because thats the bands 'logo' - this could have been included in the brief. A better explaination of a project will help the person critiquing understand the overall scope and hopefully make better suggestions for improvement.
Jim, I love your tone in every post. It's so high and mighty. You need to get over yourself - you sound like a ass.
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Right. . .
I agree with David on this one. What is so wrong about asking for more information? I would like to give them the best critique that I can. If my post asking for more information was so "childish" why do you think you can post a comment putting that down and not even critique it at all yourself? Who died and put you in charge? I seriously had respect for your posts until this one.
There is no rule against posting old work. I just wanted to know why they did. Maybe they were looking to redesign it for an upcoming concert or summat. Geez.
I happen to think a creative brief is incredibly important when critiquing artwork - it lets the critics understand your efforts and attempted message. It's possible that the designer would want opinions on a certain aspect or area - having more of a brief would also inform us of such.
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CG, you should listen to
CG, you should listen to yourself!
We've discussed this many times, and you agreed, that posting a brief with your work helps others critique it. Have you forgotten this?
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friggin meticulous
excuse me but you guys seem to be very meticulous here. it could have been fine if it's for the design.but not-- instead with questions that can satisfy your guts to be able to comment.
is it for the sake of having something to say? coz so far, nobody has ever helped at all.
well then ok, for the Design brief, i thought it was crying out loud of the poster, and i mentioned, Biker's bar concert. you dont expect florals or stars on a group of bikers do you? does this band look like Mariah Carey to you guys?
they seem grungry gothic, dont they? Hence the layout.
Most clients just want OUTPUT and they dont friggin have any idea, and you (A DESIGNER) tells them what you have in mind. You ask infos, particular preferences, target market-- sure, but you decide for the brief. why do i need to explain the brief here really? to prove to you i have followed it?
i have a limitless brief, an i have no rules. and im sorry if you guys are a bunch of designers who simply follow clients... im not merely one of you, i give them ideas and concept of what could be better.
btw, what's OLD or NEW got to do with it?
how does it help you critique?
I post it now, and it's PRESENT.
"The ongoing WOW is happening right NOW"
Someone should have pointed
Someone should have pointed you toward the many discussions that have happened here regarding the critique section; sorry you had to bear the brunt of the frustration.
Critique Section Annoyances.
Normally, folks post art here and give a short brief/explanation of the idea behind it and the message that's being presented. Only with that information can we have an objective platform from which to give positive advice, compliments or constructive criticism.
I like what you've done. The only thing I'd say is to pick one element and highlight it. The band photo is very small (capitalize on the good looks of its members; helps sell tickets and/or beer!). Maybe make that larger, or make it the entire background.
Be patient with us here. As with anything the energy ebbs and flows and any low comes up eventually.
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thanks
well,nicely said and i understood a lot better. good to know there is a person here who dont need to act mighty.
im not some sort of a cry baby nor a drama queen, but i believe that choosing the right words to say is a virtue.
"The ongoing WOW is happening right NOW"
"The ongoing WOW is
"The ongoing WOW is happening right NOW"
good lord.
I don't think meticulous is really the word you're looking for. All designers should be meticulous and perfectionists to boot!
The reason the design brief is important - We spend all this time writing reviews and posting critiques and it seems fair that you should have to write a little bit about a poster you worked on. You probably spent a lot of time making it, so i'm sure you'd have lots of things to say about it. Don't assume we know what you're doing and how you're doing it - we weren't there.
All you had to say here was
a) I was allowed to do whatever i want
b) it's a band that sounds like _______ -
done. that's all we needed to know but at least it's something.
The reason we want a "brief" or something about the project, is that it eliminates all the stupid questions we have to ask in order to find out more information. The more information that is given, the more feedback you get back - enough said.
The reason most people post critiques, is to help further an ongoing design or to get feedback on an idea. If we critique it now, it's not really going to change with our suggestions is it?
That being said - I'll critique it.
a) i dislike most of the fonts. They don't look grungy, they just look distorted and fake. This is an ongoing issue i've seen in lots of design. If you want a grungy font, make it yourself. Most of those little grungy fonts on the free websites look pretty mediocre and look even worse as they get larger. On top of that, you have the name of the band twice in a very small area, in two different fonts, and on two different angles. Looks weird.
b) the bright white line across the middle - I don't even see a reason for it. It's distracting and takes away from the name of the band.
c) the four little pictures on the right? too small - i can't even see what they are really. I think if i was a hot chick band I'd want people to be able to see me better. All their pictures are small and insignificant - even the top one. Of course i can't see this to scale and because there's no design brief i have no idea how big this poster is so i'm not even sure if this is an issue or not. Again - a design brief would have helped here as well.
d) when i look at the poster, i'm totally drawn to the bottom. I don't even really read anything else. that large white arc thing is taking over the whole poster.
I think with a "grungy gothic" band, you should be pushing the envelope. To be honest, there are so many of these bands in the world, this doesn't look special. I hope this review helps.
life is great; without it, you'd be dead.
first of, im a graphic
first of, im a graphic designer and not a font designer. meaning, works are divided by specialization. and why would i create one even? it's not included in my "job description". i would, for my personal artworks though. thanks for the idea.
honestly, what's fuelling me is not the critique, just that you people here got a real attitude. enough to say, feeling righteous. rude and with improper conduct. you speak harshly on your comments, while a real critic speak with meaning. in this case, r you people really helping or simply mocking? you think the longer the comment, the greater you become doesnt it? ---NOT! instead of choosing the right words. you ask/speak like as if the people posting here are too dumb fucked and much less than who you are.
btw, this is a low budgeted poster, that they cant even provide high resolution pics.truth is, i dont even have to explain a very detailed brief. though i should have known that rule during my 5th day of stay here as you dont give newbies some break. ask specifics, if you really meant to help.but dont nail me nor anybody to cross if we missed putting anything or posted a raw photograph here.
what a shame, i dont see any of your portfolio in here, i might find a lot of inspiration with your work as well, that'd be a great help instead.
to top it all, you sounded like an american emo and i cant help but shake my head in disgust. you, you criticize as per your own "eye candy" or taste or style. but i cant see any of your work. do yourself a favor, try deviantart and you'd prolly find your self salivating in envy for a real work of art/ design.
i'd better seek those who have aged and worked years in design. those that is far from a standard or norm. i could learn a lot of things in here by simply reading. yet so far, just by browsing i see too little intelligent artworks. this seem to be not the community for me. and hey,after all being a graphic designer is only for work and i dont need to get into hierarchy of crab mentalities.
"The ongoing WOW is happening right NOW"
eh.
a.) Your attitude sucks. I'll refrain from critiquing your work in the future - don't expect many other people to do that either.
b.) I wasn't being "harsh," I was being honest.
c.) you called yourself the "newb," but I wouldn't have known that if you hadn't said it - I was being informative. If you took it as negative, that's your own business.
d.) 90% of Deviantart sucks.
e.) My portfolio is not up and running yet, but there are a few of my works up on critique. Feel free to rip them apart - it's what i'm here for. If i wanted people to just like what i did - I'd go call my mom who loves every pile of shit i make.
f.) I've been a professional designer/prepress person for almost 5 years now, thanks.
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well tell you frankly, your
well tell you frankly, your attitude sucks evenly balanced.ur not some sort of a diva here, are you? btw, you werent actually being honest (as you pretend it). you counter attacked me from your prior comment, whilst you have zero notion of' honesty as you speak harsly. did they teach ethics where you grew? oh and another thing, my mother dont love each shit i make. im a genuinely good hearted person and a certified cynic. when im good im really good, and when im bad -- im much better. im an artist, what's your excuse for being a jerk?
deviantart sucks? you rather follow rules and design brief and your i-live-to-work money eyed clients than deviate? then you're a wannabe artist. roflol.
5years? wow... i've been a designer with a fine arts degree and you speak "damn" well about your putain de merde. knowing each tool of a graphic program or the latest "trend" whatsoever doesnt make you a good designer. concept is much more important. and please, dont try to act so grand, coz you're just one typical american.
im a newbie in creativebits, but i dont need to spoon feed you every information and teach you how to suck eggs.
"The ongoing WOW is happening right NOW"
WOAH TIGGER!!!
where did mothers come into the picture, and sucking eggs, and all the other crap?!? holy shit, and also, throwing in the french swearing in there isn't needed either.
i think everyone in here just went over the friggin top, all based on two questions, what's the brief, and why post an old picture? that's it... everyone just seemed to blow this up for no good ol' reason...
with that said, someone should just kill the whole thread already.
again, i say this laughing, like my last post. i think everyone got a pickel stuck in their _ _ _
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she has spoken of her
she has spoken of her mother. have you read her comment?
oh well, ive said enough. and 'please' (without sarcasm) stop being biased here.
ps: a french curse is no greater than an english swearing.
"The ongoing WOW is happening right NOW"
sorry, missed the reference
i'll admit my mistake, i missed her reference to her mom.. with that said, i'm not biased, i'm just sick and tired of everyone getting up on their fuckin soap boxes to bitch and moan about other people's comments. like i said, it started with a simple question. that wasn't your fault, and it wasn't seraphim's fault for being curious.
i never said french cursing was greater then english cursing, but bringing in a foreign language isn't necessary. :)
again, i'm not biased, i'm just tired of the pissing contests and soap boxing some people seem to be taking these days. they know who they are...
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point taken
in sheer comprehension. thanks and my apologies as well.
:)
"The ongoing WOW is happening right NOW"
wow, pissing contest in here..
1) i agree, a small brief (readers digest version works fine!) helps. i encourage it only for the sake of being able to give a better feedback.
2) it's a crit section, everyone's entitled to an opinion
3) it's old, it's new, it's now, it's yesterday, who gives a shit. people are allowed to post what they want when they want. real client? fake client? yourself? your mom? your wife? i don't give a shit, maybe just tell us so we can be able to crit with the right state of mind.
4) yes, some people all of a sudden think they're high and mighty in here.
5) no, we aren't saying you should become a font designer. Not everyone has it in the budget to do that, i know i don't ever have it in my time budget, but i do charge the client when i need to buy a good font. I never use the free font sites.
6) yes, 90% of deviantart does suck. but remember, there's 10% of it that's good, just gotta go digging for it and find it.
7) what was childish about asking for a bit more of a brief and that it was old? it helps to find out what the intention is. We don't know if they're posting to use this as a holding site like Deviantart seems to have become, or if they're looking to learn to do something better/different/new for the same client or same venue, either now, or down the road.
8) did i mention this seems to be a pissing contest? if so, then why?!?
9) remember, please, that tone of voice is lost online. I'm not standing on my soap box listing things like i'm high and mighty, i'm listing these off with a fat smile laughing like an innocent little school girl.
mouhahahaha (ok, little school girls don't laugh like that... i suck at impersonations!)
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www.ArchMedia.us
This Poster
I was just looking around online at different links for Jaggedy Ann. I am actually in the band. I just wanted to say that I have never seen this poster. It seems that people often take it upon themselves to take your pictures and make things out of them. That is perfectly ok with me.. I just dont think you can take things like this too seriously. We didnt design it- we arnt promoting it, but it is cool that someone else is.
A biker bar in Manila... ah,
A biker bar in Manila... ah, last time I was on stage at a biker bar I came away with first prize for being the funniest comedienne. Won a big black duffel canvas bag (which I still proudly own) and lots of beer.
I have a cousin living and working in Manila right now. I'm surprised she hasn't tried to join your band.
ttfn!
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