K&M models
Working on another project for a guy who wants to get his modeling business going. Talked to him a few times on the phone and meeting him this Wednesday. from what he tells me, the business is a higher end modeling agency. doesn't want a 'symbol' but the name of his business as his logo. He told me he wanted 'K and N' and then 'models' below. So not too much creative freedom. color wise, he wants white and green or white and brown but haven't gotten that far yet. from what he tells me, he wants this to be on the different business cards for 9-10 of his models. These are a few of my favorites that i worked out. he wants me to show him a few when we meet.
this brings me to a question.. he wants like 100 business cards for each of his 9-10 different models and 300 each for him and his partner. 2 sides color. I'm new and haven't really talked to any printing company's before but spent a while today calling a bunch. doing a run of 100 business cards is a very small quantity to do because there is usually a 'setup' fee to get everything started. do you guys usually go thru a local printer for business cards? it is obviously better to go to a local person encase there are printing/color problems but I'm sure online is cheaper. should i save some dough and do it over the internet?(if so, which ones) buying from a local guy who is selling at retail and then for me to go re-sell could be real expensive and could lose this guys business. Im just not sure if the local guy is screwing me or not :) or do you just give him the design to the client and have him go to the printer? this seems silly because im sure you could get some extra $$$ for doing it yourself.
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100 cards is indeed a small
100 cards is indeed a small run. I wouldn't worry about that, though, because for one-color cards of such a simple design (no screens or bleeds, for example), you can go to a wholesale gang shop and get dirt-cheap prices for their minimum run (usually 500). I'm talking maybe $35 or $40 on nice Strathmore stock, UPS'd to your doorstep in a couple of days. Email me and I'll send you the URL of the place I've been dealing with for this kind of work if you like.
I like your lower right logo best. Buy why not expose him to the power of design while you're at it? Show him what he asked for, but also show him what you know he needs.
Mara
you said two sides color,
you said two sides color, but not how many colors. is it full color on both sides? is it 2 color or 1 color on each side?
will both sides have information that changes? usually not. you can always run 900-1000 on the side that doesn't change, that's a little easier/cheaper.
if it's full color, you could potentially run shells for the other side, then (if your text is all one color) just run the text as a separate run. not sure if your volume is quite enough for that to make sense, but it's worth asking if you're doing this 4/4. and if he thinks there will be more models/cards in the future, you could run a higher number of the shells now, lowering the cost even more.
as far as the actual critique, i'd lean toward the two on the right, with preference on the bottom right. i like the condensed all caps, makes me think of skinny models. the top left one feels "chunky" to me, in comparison, which would be a bad thing for models. and i prefer the upper case for this.
Thanks gwells. I appreciate
Thanks gwells. I appreciate your experience, knowledge and help. The 'shell' idea makes a lot of sense and will definitely look into it. client said he wanted both sides full color but don't think its necessary.
check out other printing options
for a print order this small I would highly recommmend an online vendor. One that I've used many times with excellent results is
http://www.printplace.com/printing/business-card-printing.aspx
I've printed 4/4 on 14pt uncoated stock with rounded corners and they look gorgeous (250 cards for only $28). I have no relationship with this printer other than being a satisfied customer.
If you're designing only with type and solid CMYK builds it is all very simple. Maybe order one person's card as a test ... for the price you can't go wrong.
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I think you need to keep digging with the type design ... I don't see anything that's unique.
Curious, Gary -- you don't
Curious, Gary -- you don't find the uncoated stock dulls and muddies your colors?
Mara
depends on the colors
my job had muted green-gray and olive background tints, text was black. I also had 9x12 presentation folders printed there for the same client on the exact same stock.
I printed other business card jobs on their C2S with a matte varnish, lots of overall saturated color. 100% happy with those too.
check out
check out http://creativebits.org/meeting_with_client_went_well_could_use_some_help for more information and to see how pitch went
a few words of advice
(I'll post here rather than on your other thread)
Is this the correct set of circumstances?
You have no prior experience as a working designer.
The client is starting a new "modeling" business.
You work on spec with no discussion of money down the line.
He keeps you waiting for 1-1/2 hours in a club for a meeting.
He acts like a dick.
He shows his own designs.
Still no talk of fees.
He wants you to design stuff for 3 or 4 other "businesses'.
Still no talk of fees.
My advice: Walk away as soon as you can. Dickish import/exporter, aspiring DJ, aspiring to run a "modeling" service ... please don't be so gullible. Otherwise you are toast on this deal.
What you have described has to be the biggest recipe for disaster I've ever heard. In fact, I almost think you're making this whole hillarious scenario up ... but I'll take your word for it.
Take my word, there are better clients and better jobs with some sense of a of legit business that may have some financing backing it. Act like a professional. On your initial meeting present your portfolio and be ready to produce your proposal.
The whole concept of working as designer is to make a good living for your effort. As a general rule, businesses that actually exist are more likely to pay you with real money. < wink > And you're running your own business too, so you need to sell your time and creativity, not give it away or jump through hoops for some guy you don't even know.
... or I might be completely wrong.
Pro
I think the two logos on the right look really professional and I can't decide between the two! Nice work! :)
I'm not sure if this will help, but the cheapest printer I've found so far are
www.printcarrier.com
But yea, 100 seems a really small run. A 1000 with these guys (double sided fully varnished 300gsm stock will set you back 26 quid or around 50 bucks!
:)
Ah!
Sorry. That company is only Euro.