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metallic inks

Hi everyone,

I'm about to make my business card and I'm thinking of printing metallic color on a Chartham Clear 48# Translucents (Reich Paper) stock. I have seen someone do it and it turned out nice, and I know where they went for printing. But now my problem is I'm not too sure about how to select a certain color to be printed in metallic.

Some people said that in indesign cs (which i'm gonna use) select a spot color and choose a pantone solid. Now how do I know which is metallic? and I'm not quite sure if I have all the pantone sets in my indesign, do I have to download extra pantone colors? Also which pantone solid do I use if i'm gonna print it on that Chartham stock? So many questions... Thanks in advance!

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Ivan's picture

look, you don't have to necessarily select a metallic color. any spot color would do and than you tell the rpint house to print it with such and such metallic color. your spot color will come out from as a separate film, which will be made into a separate printing plate. it's your choice what ink you use with it. the only important thing to remember with metallic colors is that you need to print it as a last color, beacuse most metallic colors can't hold other colors on top of them.

digitaldallas's picture
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Hello:

Dallas, Tx here we haven’t used film in 8 years but I sure remember it. It was a very time consuming process and was a lot more susceptible to human error on registration.

My take on metallics is this if you want a true metallic look foil stamp. Metallic inks due a pretty good job on coated paper but won’t reach the level of metallic look as foil will. Metallic on uncoated sometimes works and sometimes you just don’t get the sheen you would like to have because you have less ink holdout. Most of your issues with printing metallic inks are that they are much more opaque than normal PMS inks. This brings trapping into play and some commercial printers may have more issues with that. Our normal trap is .003” but when we are printing metallic that touches other colors(trap) we will reduce our trap as much as we can depending on all the factors.

Good Luck and I would suggest leaning on a good commercial printer.

Buzz
The Odee Company - Commercial Printer - Dallas
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Mississauga's picture
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WARNING!!!

Confirm with your preferred printer they can, in fact, produce good results when printing metallic inks. Ask to see samples - more than one. Ask which paper stocks they prefer to use with metallic inks.

Coming from a LONG history in the printing industry, I can assure you I've witnessed poor results using metallic inks far too often! Proper offset printing of metallic inks requires very specific set up sequences, depending on the equipment and chemistry used.

If you're unsure, switch to foil letterpress printing for the metallic portion. Matte finish foils are available, which will mimic metallic ink very well.

Alec

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depending on the equipment and chemistry used.

Careful there Alec... you're REALLY showing your age when you start using words like "chemistry" as it relates to printing!

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hanamichy's picture
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thanks for the advice, i've asked a quote from a printer, waiting for their reply

wedgin's picture
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Ivan wrote:

look, you don't have to necessarily select a metallic color. any spot color would do and than you tell the rpint house to print it with such and such metallic color. your spot color will come out from as a separate film, which will be made into a separate printing plate. it's your choice what ink you use with it. the only important thing to remember with metallic colors is that you need to print it as a last color, beacuse most metallic colors can't hold other colors on top of them.

Just an aside here. How many people here still deal with film when sending plates? Where I work we've done direct to plate for ages. According to my boss we were 2nd in Canada to do it. I've never dealt with film to plate at all, so I was just interested in how prevalent it is still?

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i wouldn't really know beacuse my output is a CD, not even a RIP 99% of the time.

theboliep's picture
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I work in Oklahoma and as far as I know, there is only 1 trade shop still supplying film. I came from a trade shop into a full printer, and I haven't used film in 4 years.

As far as Metallic inks go, the advice to see some samples and to speak with your printer for specifics is a good idea. All printers vary in the way they print metallics, so looking at samples will give you an idea of the quality they can produce.

Good luck and I hope everything turns out looking great.

Craig's picture
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theboliep - hey fellow OKC-er, or whatever we call ourselves. Nice to have a local coming in here.

theboliep's picture
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"Hello Craig" ( i'm yelling out the window, can you hear me? :)

It's good to see another OKC member. I lurked here for about 6 months stealing good info, then I decided to give something back.

Do you work in printing or another aspect of design?

Ivan's picture

what's OKC? nice to see friends meet. :D

theboliep's picture
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Sorry Ivan, it's Oklahoma City. The fair capital of our grand state of Oklahoma.

Ivan's picture

not at all. i could've guessed. :) i was looking but not seeing.

Craig's picture
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I'm the Art Director for St. Luke's Church in downtown OKC (yet my job tends to spill over into non-linear video editing and other odd jobs, too.) How about you?

theboliep's picture
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Prepress monkey for Snyder's Printing. I've worked at Graphic Arts (closed) Globe Color Press (closed) and Digiprint.

Anonymous's picture

Are there any places to have invitations in letterpress done in OKC?

plugz's picture
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Communication between designer, client and printer is more essential than normal on this one.

I had an absolute nightmare this weekend, at 7pm on Friday I got a frantic call from a client who had requested a spot colour on their project after they received an email from their printer to say that they couldn't work with multi channel images and wouldn't accept EPS files anyway. I had to change the spot colour to standard CMYK yellow and they would print that as the spot.

This I guess is the trouble with using different printers for different jobs and why I recommend my printer to all my clients for their jobs.

At least it wasn't my fault the deadline was missed, the client wanted to deal with the printer themselves and it went tits up, funnily enough they've now told me to communicate directly with the printers.

*sigh*

Ivan's picture

Sounds like a nightmare.

ireid's picture
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Why do clients think that by going directly to the printer (supplier) and saving money (they think) will lead to perfect jobs? lol Unless they have a GOOD in house artist with printing knowhow, they ALWAYS seem to end up calling you at some god-forsaken hour to tell you that your artwork is wrong and the printer is on the press and can't print the job. . . lol. Happens without fail.

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Clients: Can't live with them...pass the beer nuts. :)

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