Occupy Flash
Art D. Rector (2772 pencils) | Sat, 2011-11-19 18:51We have Adobe on the run. Now is not the time to be weak. Now is the time to finally smite the dragon...
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How about BEFORE you start a smarmy campaign to get rid of Flash, you replace it with something better first? HTML5 is not there yet. The irony of Apple fans talking about open standards is pretty hilarious also.
That's such a monumental load of crap. The beauty of HTML design is that it can downgrade gracefully unlike Flash which is an all or nothing solution. So the argument that HTML5 is not yet there is a bunch of crap. One can easily and with a few lines of code create a site where functionalities are served first in HTML5 and secondly as a fallback in Flash. It's called being a good developer.
Secondly trying to complain about Apple and open standards while crying over a proprietary plugin is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. Apple might exert tight control over their platform, but they have all the right to do so. iOS is run no differently than they way video game consoles have for the past 20 years, and no one ever cried about the control Sony or Nintendo exert over their platforms. While Apple maintains tight control over their platform they have been very supportive of open standards for the internet. They open sourced WebKit, which thanks to it's adoption by Chrome has been a god send for web developers. They are always among the first to implement new features added to the W3C specs for HTML & CSS.
Except this is not a "graceful fallback in Flash" coding decision, it's a Get Rid of Flash Entirely campaign. Flash is nearing the end of it's lifespan, but it also has 15 years and millions of websites of content out there. Some of it can be auto-converted into HTML5 compatibility, but you're still looking at enormous time and money to do it. Telling people to uninstall their Flash plugin RIGHT NOW is both futile and pointless.
Plenty of people have cried about Sony & Nintendo's console restrictions for the last 20 years. I don't know where you've been. And an iPhone certainly isn't a NES. Apple makes a lot of noise about open source when it's convenient for them, and quiet about it when it's not. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.
The way I see it with business sometimes you need to force their hands. All you need to do is look at how a lot of websites are handling HTML5 video. Rather than design a site that looks if you can play HTML5 first and fallback to Flash they've chosen to look if you are on a mobile device and only send the HTML5 variant in that case. Which in my opinion is plain lazy and counter productive. So I think at times developers need a push in the right direction. It's a dated technology and it's time to move on.
Secondly there is a WORLD of difference between pushing for an open web and protecting your own platform. Apple has every right to behave the way they are. It's in everyone's interest that the web be built on open standards and not proprietary plug-ins. It's also in their best interest that they control their device platform as they best see fit. If they add Flash and the iPhone get's crap battery life, that Apple receives the blame. Not Adobe. If it opens the door to malware Apple receives the blame not Adobe. So why should they pre-instal a third party plugin they can't even control and update. Rather than supporting an open standard that they can quickly move to patch if it's exploited?
Bingo. Protecting the way the Mac OSX operates is what makes Apple stand out in a crowd. Not everyone wants to deal with compatibility issues and varying levels of operational satisfaction.
Where does it say those guys are Apple fans?
That whole website is practically transcribed off of a Steve Jobs letter on the same subject.
Maybe - as usual - Steve Jobs was way ahead on the curve and saw the obvious end result for Flash just as these folks do. I understand people's unwillingness to move forward - it's easy to get comfortable and not want change. But in this business - that's the way it is.
I use Windows and I think Flash needs to die in a fiery hole, Christ MrC, not everything has to be a fanboy war. At this point I wonder if you feel vastly insecure about not venturing outside of Microsoft products. Apple isn't the end of the world, and it's not the pinnacle, as with Microsoft. They're tools with both strong followings, relax. The petition might encourage Adobe to put their resources into advancing HTML5 and subsequent better code than holding onto an archaic program?
I still remember high school and action-scripting class *shudder*. Flash was great for its time but unfortunately if we want technology to progress we must replace and upgrade with engines with higher capabilities.
1. Flash isn't a Microsoft product and HTML5 isn't an Apple one. Nothing to do with OS choice here.
2. Adobe already announced HTML5 software on the way and Flash is not their focus going forward. But to abandon it completely at this moment is foolish. It will sensibly be several years of transition.
3. When you're determining who is a "fanboy" and who isn't, keep in mind I'm not the person demanding one of the two choices be banned right now, and/or starting anti-HTML5 websites.
I think you may have been banned for your trolling and sarcastic critiques. I was referring to your Apple-totalitarian joke above. I never said abandon it immediately.
If it makes you feel better to think so, but more likely it was the same captcha-verifying issue that quite a few other people had. Of course you didn't say to abandon it immediately, but the people who make OccupyFlash obviously did.
I had many Captcha issues, but emailed Ivan and haven't had any problems since.
I had doubted that you were kicked for trolling as that would have been crazy and unjustified, unless expressing cynicism is now classed as trolling - in which case - i'm a troll!
I'd also be very surprised if creating a new user account would iron out any Captcha issues though as I didn't and the system now seems a lot more efficient. Not sure if Ivan changed the intensity of the Captcha enforcement, or relaxed measures on well known members?
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