Origional Identity
cbirenll (27 points) | Thu, 2009-11-05 16:42This is what I would origonally use for my identity. The film strip has pieces and parts of my own portfolio, and I have versions with higher contrast for print processing. This example is my current business card. I use the film strip on my website, business card, stationary, and whatever I feel I need to unify with myself. There are more versions with different "slides." This is before the assignment to create a personal logo, and I was curious where I really need to go. My style is always changing adn honestly though I like the stuff I've come up with for myself, I wouldn't use them for myself. Where would you suggest I go with this project? Should I just use a script font of my name? This image is just to give you some background.
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"I hate all".
heeeeeeeeeeeeey you changed the picture :(
yes I'm brazilian xD
I would dump the clichéd filmstrip and start again. You aren't a photographer, I think you need a COMPLETELY different angle.
The focus is all on the clip art and not on your work.
and please dont use a script font for your name.
living on dreams and custard creams.
monkeys we trust
yes I'm brazilian xD
Terrible.
Leaky Penny
Check out what I've been up to lately!
http://petersonjoseph.com
I'm going to print it out and eat it.
-Unknown Artist
Ok who actually read the description?
The critique is "what angle I should take If I don't want to cling on any aspect of design at all"- the most broad of all logo designs. I am not asking any opionion on this. This is just for the purpose of giving some background.
Also, this is not to represent filmstrip that you see in a dark room. This is VIDEO filmstrip; meant to represent stages, parts of a whole, different aspects of design. I starting to question the credibility of all these nay-sayers, with good reason. How can I honestly take the advise from someone who completely disregards the purpose of this post, the question, and for that matter anyone and everyone who has an opionion that differs from that of their own. Or someone with a lack of basic gramatical knowledge.
"I hate all".
When quoting a complete thought in the form of a sentence the period goes within the quotations.
"I hate all."
Thank you! pretend to make my critiques faster and better:
simply: "IHA" + "IMO"
:)
yes I'm brazilian xD
First: Why are all students in your class snotty little brats who feel they are entitled to get critiques here? If you think you can do better, why even come here?
Second: Not everybody's mother tongue here is English.
Third: What the hell does video have to do with what YOU do? How the hell are we supposed to know its not photography film but video film? You gonna run around to each and every persons house who looks at your site and make sure they know what your concept is? You could, or you can try making it a little more clear. That is, after all, your job.
Leaky Penny
Check out what I've been up to lately!
http://petersonjoseph.com
I'm going to print it out and eat it.
-Unknown Artist
Hey I came here only to learn English!!! :P
yes I'm brazilian xD
Cbirenll, the punctuation rule you cite is correct only in U.S. English. In Great Britain, and nations where people learn "British English" when they study English, the punctuation properly goes outside the closing quotation mark.
That said, I do wish our Russian friend, qwertyale, would find a less aggressive (and ultimately meaningless) phrase to replace "I hate all." Could I suggest "This isn't working for me at all," or maybe, "Nothing here seems to be working," or something like that? I'm sure qwertyale doesn't mean to come across as hostile, but that's what "I hate all" says, and because the grammar is wrong, it also sounds uneducated, which I know for a fact is untrue. Qwerty might think "I hate all" is at least a little bit funny. Mostly, it isn't.
Back to you, cbirenll, the film strip (now gone, apparently) was confusing because video doesn't use film. There's no such thing as "video filmstrip." Your brief needs to provide a better description of your design goal. Otherwise, no one will be able to tell you if they think you are achieving it.
I'm confused. If you don't want to cling to any particular design, and haven't offered an actual design for critique, but just your name spelled out in Photoshop, what are you here for? This site is intended for designers to post their work to receive feedback and advice (note the spelling; "advise" is a verb with a different meaning).
We are designers working in many aspects of design and speak from the experience of many different cultures. Some of us are very new to the profession, while others of us have decades of experience. You can benefit most from a dialog with us by introducing yourself and your project properly, or you can burst in here with a chip on your shoulder and get the sort of reaction that is pretty much inevitable when you behave that way. True, not everyone here always uses their best manners, but it doesn't help to start picking fights and sneering at people for making spelling and grammatical errors -- particularly when your own grasp of these things seems shaky.
Maybe it would be a good idea for you to work on your design some more, and repost it with a complete brief and a request for guidance on where you might need to make some changes.
Mara
Why don't we try the reverse side of things, shall we? I have a great Idea for a personal logo design for you! Let's try this, it's simply iconic and it's so exciting! You ready? A certain anatomical region, presumably old and frail (and small based on the verbal cynical remarks undoubtably for means of compensation). It's perfectly fit! It's a visual representation of your personal discontent!
And then I'll reply "Hey that fit's you well! You are a dick! Isn't that ironic?!!"
You see, I don't to attack random people for the sake of bettering myself. Because unlike most people, I am young, established, creative, talented, I wouldn't for a moment say that I am any better of a person than anyone else, and unlike YOU, I respect most people enough to give the proper critisizm THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE!
I think you need to get your head out your ass, lose the attitude and if you're really serious about design, enroll in a school that offers a proper design course, not some rinky dink night course at the local YMCA that teaches students to make logos in Photoshop.
You guys obviously can't take criticism. Look, when your idea sucks what the hell can we say to make it better. A flower smelling turd is still a turd.
If you'll notice, people who actually try to put some effort into their designs and briefs actually get proper critiques. And if you'll notice, people who get critiques keep coming back.
Grow up. Oh, and you misspelled criticism.
Leaky Penny
Check out what I've been up to lately!
http://petersonjoseph.com
I'm going to print it out and eat it.
-Unknown Artist
That's what you have for me? Grow up? You know what? I think I will take a new approach. Tell me, oh where can I find a critique? Cause all I seem to be getting here is the brutal aftermath of well know condition called Little Man syndrome; a classic inferiority complex = little dicks + big egos. The WOMEN have given me advice I can use. YOU GUYS just need to jump off you high horses and merge back into the mainstream current of society and hope all the women don't decide to become daughters of Sapho.
Oh and if you use an analogy, why don't you make sure it's relavent? E.G. You can't form a flower from a turd.
Awww, does the big boy's brain hurt?
Oh boy, she's using the sexist card....kid, I'm not wasting my time with you. I'm speechless at how low you would go. I'd check at your YMCA is they offer a wood shop class, you aren't cut out for design. If you start whining and crying and bringing up sexism when clients don't like the crap you're pumping out, you'll be eaten alive in this industry. The whole industry will know about your crybaby rep before you even get home to burn your bra.
Also, that turd analogy? Flew right past you. You're a joke.
Leaky Penny
Check out what I've been up to lately!
http://petersonjoseph.com
I'm going to print it out and eat it.
-Unknown Artist
I don't really get what you are trying to get out of this post. We cant crit the work your showing so...
Try going in a different direction, what that direction is im not really sure as I have only seen like 4 samples of your work. You simply don't understand that all we can say is go in a different direction. Also you must learn to deal with all types of comments on your designs often times all the client knows is that they don't like it. Oh ya, and I dont think any part of this design is working.
If you wish to creatively showcase your work I'd opt for another route. Currently this look is shouting: Photography store.
"Art -- the one achievement of Man which has made the long trip up from all fours seem well advised." - James Thurber
Watch out, she'll blame your critique on a huge Canadian conspiracy,
Leaky Penny
Check out what I've been up to lately!
http://petersonjoseph.com
I'm going to print it out and eat it.
-Unknown Artist
The script font has potential. However, as Art D. Rector pointed out in an earlier thread, try handpainting just your first name. I think it would be quite sharp.
"Art -- the one achievement of Man which has made the long trip up from all fours seem well advised." - James Thurber
I am not sure it's my place to make a comment here since I am a young designer (to be after a few more years of experience), but I feel this site as a whole and the good people who are pretty active in it can help the design community a lot better than this thread suggests. If this site and the community is established to help each other, then we need to realize that there are new comers too, and they should be welcomed, not discouraged. Of course they are inexperienced, but that's exactly why the attitude of the experienced should differ from the comments I see here. I know you guys have had many years of experience and definitely see through the design, the attitude, and approach of the new comers, but again, can you help them get where you are? Is calling their initial work names and not telling them why, a good way of encouraging them to get better? Does that approach work for you?
I am sorry if I spoke in presence of great people here, but I am sure a change in the approach and responses will greatly encourage the people who are coming to this field. The people who should be welcomed, and kept under your wing, and make sure you play a positive part in their growth.
I also apologize for my misspellings, grammatical errors, and overall poor Canadian English in advance.
Well said Bill, and of course you are more than welcome to make any suggestions or comments you think will make the site better. it's a very unique idea Ivan has going here, and you'd be hard pressed to find another site quite like it.
The site relies on newcomers as well as veterans to make it successful. We were all newcomers at one point.
But, I have to ask, did you read this thread? Do you know where the conversation turned sour? Have you read, if not all, some of the posters thread history to see if they are just trolls or actually contribute something to the site?
Do you think it normal for newcomers to come here *expecting* critiques? And, when they do get them, to get mad when they are not satisfied?
Also, some pieces can be tweaked, sure. But what about pieces that have absolutely no hope? Should we just start from scratch and tell the newcomer what we would do instead? Heck, while we're at it, why don't we just design the piece for them?
Myself personally, I am ready to help and give as many tools as possible to people who are willing to learn and more importantly willing to help themselves. But I won't lie, when I see a piece of crap, I'm gonna call it a piece of crap, and that's usually when there is absolutely nothing that can help the design be good.
Whether you agree with me or not, you have to remember: These are professionals helping out newcomers free of charge, donating their time to help them and giving them advice.
Leaky Penny
Check out what I've been up to lately!
http://petersonjoseph.com
I'm going to print it out and eat it.
-Unknown Artist
I totally missed the film strip thing. Whatever it was, it certainly fired some people up. :-)
Right now I'm looking at the hand drawn font version. Like the name, but agree you should drop either the "Graphic" or "Commercial" part. You should also try other fonts on the tag - I'm thinking a sans serif would work better here. If that script is an actual font, you should kern the C out more - it's too close to the h imo. I'd also like to see the dot on the i rotated around so it points up instead of down/right.
What happened with the seal? I was perfectly okay with that idea - it just needed some work imo.
Thanks Leaky. You are absolutely right in all points and this is the kind of criticism that goes a longer way that just bad mouthing. At least this is how I listen and learn, and it might be true about majority of people too. On the calling it a crap part, I used to do that too, but it always backfired and I learned there are other ways of calling it a crap, but not so direct.
Thanks again. That's why I am here. To state my opinion, then listen, and learn.