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Kennie's picture
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Pantone 201 to CMYK

Hi. I need to convert Pantone 201 to CMYK values and for the life of me I just can't get it right. Can anyone help? Thanks!

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natobasso's picture
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Pick that color from your swatches either in illustrator or photoshop. Be specific whether you want Coated or Uncoated (and there are other variations of PMS colors other than these!)

PMS Solid Coated and Solid Uncoated percentages (they are the same):
C0% M10C% (not sure what the C is for) Y63 K29%

So what are you trying to do exactly?

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mbennett2's picture
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Nato, it isn't M10C%, it is M100%. Probably a screen artifact or something.

natobasso's picture
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I'm on a PC so no wonder; that was extremely odd!

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Kennie's picture
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One of our customers (we are a newspaper) is trying to duplicate the SC Gamecock's color scheme for something for his newspaper. I checked and the color is Pantone 201, but we strictly use CMYK, so I couldn't help him with his values. The C stands for cyan... Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black. Thanks tons!

mara06's picture
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Kennie, I would use C30 M70 Y50 K15, but I'd check with your pressman (woman) to be sure. A lot can depend on how hot the press runs, whether it tends to favor one drum (ink) over another, etc.

Mara

natobasso's picture
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I definitely agree. I hope this client doesn't have his/her heart set on the gamecock color coming out exactly as hoped. Printing on newsprint, combined with converting a pms color to cmyk is going to make this risky at best.

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mbennett2's picture
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I am curious how you got those numbers Mara. They appear to be way off in illustrator.

mara06's picture
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I used my Pantone books. You can't go by what';s on your monitor. Even if perfectly calibrated, it won't make up for dot gain, the effect of subtle shades of newsprint, and just plain old street experience.

Mara

Kennie's picture
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I appreciate the help!

Kennie's picture
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Wish us luck! lolol

smartgrafix's picture
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I have a copy of the Pantone Process Colour Simulator & according to it the conversion for 201 is c0 m100 y60 k40

mbennett2's picture
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I got the same as Nato - C0 M100 Y63 K29.

The easiest way to this is to draw a square of your color in Illustrator, then convert it to CMYK in the color palette and read the numbers. That is if you don't have a swatch book then will give you the conversions. The percentages in Illustrator come from Pantone.

natobasso's picture
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Yep, photoshop does it too. Just click a swatch in the toolbar and a color picker comes up. Click Color Libraries and choose your pantone color using the keyboard and the number.

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KellyR's picture
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I agree that there's no guarantees when it comes to printing on newsprint. Keep in mind, too, the darker shade of newsprint stock will also have an impact on how your colors turn out.

Kennie's picture
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Thanks to you all! We're going to try to scheme without the cyan. The cyan seems to make the color more on the purple side.
Thanks again!
Kennie

KrunkPony's picture
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I don't know if this is already solved but these numbers are differing from the numbers I found in my Pantone provided swatch conversion book.

The conversion is different for coated an uncoated.

I'll just let you know what it says for uncoated since u are looking at newsprint.

201 U = c8 m89 y59 k22

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natobasso's picture
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If it's a new swatch book, 2007 or 2008, then Adobe apps won't probably have that profile yet.

The conversion is almost always different for coated and uncoated, to deal with those two different kinds of paper individually. :)

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KrunkPony's picture
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Yeah the swatch book at my studio is relatively new (I know cause I ordered it).

Why would that numerical conversion ever need to change? I don't understand why. But I always trust my swatchbooks and test prints more than any screen or auto-conversion. Am I wrong in this?

-T

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mara06's picture
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Pantone spot (PMS) colors, and sometimes the basic CMYK inks, can sometimes change a bit in terms of opacity and other fairly esoteric things that only purists really get into. But yes, there can be changes. And of course you know that the inks printed in the swatch books themselves will remain true only for a year or so, even under the best of conditions. So to answer your last question, Tiffany, no, you're not wrong at all! You're smart :-)

Mara

natobasso's picture
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Different papers, in this case coated and uncoated, require different ink combinations to get the same approximate pms color. It has to do with how paper absorbs ink.

And yes, as Mara said don't trust your screen for 'correct' color. However, as you get to know pantone colors, you'll start building a library that you call on rather than Adobe's default palette of colors. Yuk. :) Red 185 and 485 are great, as well as 285 blue.

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Totally agrree with you about building your own little bag of ink trix. A lot of it is just experience. And by the way, web presses running newsprint don't typically use the same kind of Pantone inks that go into sheetfeed presses, or even gang shop webs doing nice 4C work (the inks most of us have swatchbooks for). You really need to get with your printer on this, ultimately, to ensure the best outcome. They have a vested interest in making you happy. They'll work with you to get your client happy, too.

I have a neat little swatch book that a web newspaper press operator gave me a while ago that showed various popular colors as gradient draw-downs on the different qualities of newsprint that they kept in stock. That was so handy, especially when a client asked for something that I could tell (from experience and that book) just wouldn't look good. I don't know how common it is to be able to get something like that. Maybe I just hit the guy on a day when he was feeling generous. I have the feeling it was something they make up for their apprentices. It was a union shop.

Mara

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I'm a bit late to the party, but would like to post for interest sake. Download this profile for www.color.org and install in your Profiles folder.

http://www.color.org/registry/SNAP_2007.xalter

Pantone 201 U --> SNAP 2007.icc = 22,71,47,14
Pantone 201 C --> SNAP 2007.icc= 21,85,63,18

SNAP stands for Specifications for Newsprint Advertising Production and it is similar to Specifications Web Offset Publications (SWOP) in that it is an effort to give agencies the ability to create accurate in-house proofs and separations.

You may not be interested in Total Ink Densities, Dot Gain, Black Generation and other technical aspects of Newsprint presses, but if you want to get a good 4 color separation of a Pantone, use the SNAP 2007.icc profile to generate your numbers and you'll have a much better result on press.

If you want to create SNAP proofs (and not simply proper SNAP separations, as I described here), that would take a lot more explaining. For now, simply realize that most proofers are set up for SWOP rather than SNAP standards, so while your separations (and on-screen preview) would be correct, your proof would be "incorrect" and therefore misleading.

Hope this is somewhat helpful.

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natobasso's picture
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Very cool info!

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