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pechos's picture

So I want to talk a bit about what sems to be a rather taboo subject in Designer Land, projects estimates and the time spent in gereral on projects, specifically web sites.

Personally, I do not know a single other designer in the Flesh. That is part of what I love about this community, finally people I can relate to and vice versa! So, I am not sure if it just me or not, but does anyone else Loathe giving out bids? I know you do. In the grand scheme of things, I have not been out designing in the Real World for very long at all, maybe 2 years. I give out my estimates the best I can, but more often than not I find myself going over on a project. Mainly because I am catering my bids to what I think will get me the job, rather than what the project realistically takes to complete.

I guess basically what I am trying to accomplish with this thread is to see how the rest of you guys approach giving estimates for web sites (and print if you care to share). I am sure it is something that gets refined with time, as with everything else. I am also sure that there is no magic formula to it as each job is always different from another, but there has to be a way to ease the stress a bit? I'm thinking some of you old guys might have some pearls for us. ;)

Also, I am also Extremely Curious as to how much time some of you spend on your sites, should anyone decide to be brave enough to want to share. I know that is an Extremely relative question, but let's just say for a simple hypo scenario a 5-10 page static informational "brochure type" website. Standard elements, header, footer, body and some area for navigation. If you decide to share and want to throw in more specifics on your own, do it up.

I think this could prove to be a pretty prodctive thread, and as always, I am eager to hear the opinions on the subject. Perhaps I am the only person out there that hates giving estimates, but somehow I highly doubt it.

wedgin's picture

Time estimate

I find with standard websites I typically figure it will take 15-25 hours from concept to finished product.

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pechos's picture

A reply!

I was hoping this thread would spark more interest.
Thanks for the response though, interesting to know.

Does that include client meetings/phone calls/emails and site revisions?

Ivan's picture

I would spend at least 40

I would spend at least 40 hours on the project you described. I often go over the number of hours I calculate at the beginning. But that is because I'm trying to learn new techniques with every project. If I were to use the same things that I'm used to I would probably underestimate each project. But I don't mind going over, because it's a learning experience.

Greg's picture

If I felt that the client

If I felt that the client had to bedget for me to "learn" on then I'd agree with Iva, 40 hrs or so. If I felt that the budget was tight I'd say 20-25. I have a 10 hr minimun for anything I do. I don't want to bother with anything else.

Hope this helps a bit.

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pechos's picture

Very True

It really is a learning experience on every project.
I usually work with the same mindset when I am doing freelance, but at the day job, it is a bit more tough because the whip is constantly being cracked for us to be billable 90% of the time. It is a balance however, I usually pad a little bit for my own learning sake, so I can have some time to try the new technique.

It is good to hear that number though Ivan, I don't think that is too long at all, but since I do not chat too often with other designers, I was wondering if maybe it was just taking me obsurdly long to get the job done. Good design, which is well thought out should take some time. What kind of site do people honestly expect to get in 10 hours?

It is a tough spot to be in some times at my day job becasue clients want these extravagant sites, but get sticker shock when they see the estimate. It is a relatively new start up company however, so the portfolio is still not what I would like it to be, and I think we just don't have enough quality pieces yet to attract the sort of clientele I would like us to be doing work for. But then, how do you get a kick ass folio built up when people are only willing to pay you enough to throw a site together? The answer is working your ass off double time to give them twice the site they paid for. Without a smokin' folio though I suppose you really just can't walk around telling people "trust me, you give me enough time and money and I will give you a reallllly cool and functional site".

Well, that is my rant.

All in good time.

r0sss's picture

Well,

At my last job they usually estimated at least 100 hours, usually more. But, this includes everything....meetings, site-mapping, design, building/coding, programming, templatizing, Q&A, SEO, content management, etc, etc.... And the client received an award winning custom website.
For freelance work, I've begun to make it a $1000 minimum job. Or, I charge $50 per hour and give a firm estimate. If the client's a cheap bastard then I don't want to work with them anyways. If they understand that you have to spend money to make money then I'm happy and they're happy and a nice website is created.
My advice: Be firm and confident! I'm not saying blatantly overcharge but your service is valuable and the customer should pay exactly what your service is worth.
Web design isn't taken as seriously as most of the other media jobs today but it's becoming more and more serious and businesses are beginning to realize that if they want to make money they probably need a nice website.

JoshuaTree's picture

Good Topic

Thank you for starting up this thread. This is always a tough part of my work as well. I do freelance work as a site jobs making websites. But the people who come to me for work usually are very cheap and don't realize how much work goes into it all. I always try to add something new to each website I create, and that usually makes it take a little longer. The last site I put together was just like the one you described for your hypothetical, and it took me about 35 hours. Apparently, from what I've heard I'm grossly under charging. I'm not going to say exactly how much or I'll look like a fool. Hehe.

Thanks for the insight.
- JoshuaTree

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