"Spaces" - who uses this?
Submitted by KellyR on Sat, 2008-06-21 22:31.
In a moment of boredom today, I started fiddling around with my "Spaces" preference in Leopard. I'm starting to think it's kind of groovy... instead of collapsing windows down into my dock, I just hide them entirely by switching to separate working spaces.
I organized it by putting all my design apps in one working space (all my Creative Suite apps), my word processing apps in a different working space (ie: Word, Xcel, etc.), and my various Apple apps in a different one (ie: iCal, Safari, etc.).
Do any of you use Spaces, and if so, how do you utilize/organize and do you feel they're worthwhile?
Spaces are awesome!
If you set the shortcut to Command and the directional arrows you can switch between them with ease!
Only problems I've had are with inDesign, where you go back to your canvas and the tools and pallets don't show up.
Kinda weird but spaces is very useful!
Same thing with me on Illustrator...
If you hit TAB, then your palettes/tools will show up again.
suzanne maestri-walters :: graphic designer :: www.onegirlcreative.com
I can't get used to it. I
I can't get used to it. I will try again now.
I've tried but...
... I just can't get used to it. Plus whenever I try to add ID3, it adds ID2 instead. EVERY FRICKIN' TIME. What the hell?
maybe delete ID2 and then
maybe delete ID2 and then try again? Try using AppZapper. It's great for that kind of thing. :) Oh, you'll also need to delete it from your time machine. Don't just do it though, ask someone else what to do first...I'm not super certain you should do that. :)
Can't: I still have clients
Can't: I still have clients using ID2 :(
just save the save the cs3
just save the save the cs3 files as indesign interexchange, that way you don't need cs2 anymore
That I know, but these are
That I know, but these are clients I write ID2 scripts for, so I'm stuck until they switch up.
Yawn....
I've been using virtual desktops on-and-off for years, via shareware/freeware apps. However, even with Apple building it in to the OS, I still can't see using it day-to-day. I can get the same effect by hiding the current app.
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Use them everyday
I use them, for example, I have the finder, Adium and Twitterrific open up on every space (you can set that up in system preferences). Then let's say Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop on space 1; Bridge on space 2 (full screen mode); Pages, Numbers or TextEdit on Space 4; and Mail and Safari on Space 4. I use it when I need to keep everything running. I've assigned applications specifically to certain spaces to help me get organized.
user preference
To me Spaces (or any virtual desktop system) is just an organizational tool. This system doesn't save any real time; it only keeps the type of mind that needs it more organized. There is no difference IMO between using cmd-tab and Spaces. Tried it and couldn't find the benefit beyond using regular program switching and hiding.
i think ultimately its the
i think ultimately its the versatility of having spaces combined with expose, hiding, minimizing, and cmd-tab that gives the user the time-saving and organizational freedom they need. I find myself using all of these system tools simultaneously. It just depends on my priorities. I have so many programs open at one time that i intuitively want to organize them according to task. This is when spaces really comes in handy. Actually, if you designate programs to certain spaces (in preferences) it works quite seamlessly in conjunction with cmd-tab (or ctrl+arrow keys). I think each tool has its convenience, but the user decides which combination of these tools works best for their workflow... and thats what makes it great!
Tried it once, used it never
Actually I find organizing the apps, switching between the spaces dragging from one to another space, searching for the right space where I "left" an app, etc. very time-robbing.
Instead I am using CornerClick to hide an app that I don't need right now and highlight another by clicking on the Dock.
I like the idea of spaces, but...
I never use it because I dont use huge apps that take up the whole screen (ex. Photoshop, InDesign, any Adobe app basically...). Pixelmator works great for me. I like the idea of spaces...but I can't seem to find a reason to use it since I normally have maybe...3-4 windows open at once.
I thought I would use this
I thought I would use this feature more but once I tried it (Gave it about a month) it just annoyed me more then it facilitated any level of productivity or organization.
One thing it did do is show me that I am a hardcore multi-tasker and I like seeing everything at once. Out of sight out of mind of sorts. So it just isn't a good feature for me, I prefer an over view of everything and in an age where you can have monster monitor sizes or dual monitors (What I have) there is more then enough real estate to not have to use such tactics that "Spaces" offers.
Von
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don't like it at all
cmd-tab is excellent for me. I'm not using anything else. cmd-tab is quite enough for my needs :) even though I have a lot of Apps opened in the same time, everything works easy and fast. without any problems.
cmd-tab + Dock = enough, for me :)
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Its a habit thing really.
Those of us few who used to use Macs before (gasp there was a before?!) OS X used do things a certain way. For example if you clicked on an app ALL the windows of the app would come forward (something OS X has now done away with. Why? Who knows!?) So THAT took some getting used to. Then old school multitaskers like myself used to be up in the right hand corner CONSTANTLY pulling down the Multi-Finder menu to switch apps. When that was taken away I have to admit I was lost. . . The dock NEVER replaced that for me and though Commaand-Tab KINDA brought it back I still find myself going into the right hand corner now and then and pulling down the clock or the Spotlight menu or something, out of HABIT. lol
Then there was expose which I love if ONLY to spread windows out so I can see which Photo looks better or which layout looks better when they are placed side by side and then the F11 CLEARING the screen to go to the desktop has now REPLACED Command-Tab for me. I hardly ever use it.
When I go on other artists machines I get REALLY annoyed, however, when I TRY to go up to the Apple menu or the spotlight Menu and they've set expose to come on when my mouse "accidentally" hovers in that hot corner. . . VERY distracting and annoying for me. For them, I have observed them flipping apps and windows on the fly with expose. . . so diff'rnt strokes for diff'rnt folks!
I haven't upgraded to Leopard yet. . . but when I do I PROBABLY won't be using spaces. I just don't see the need. (just yet)
"Try not, Do! or do not, there is no try."
-Yoda
Trying
I'm currently playing with it at home. Glad to see this post, because it encourages me that others are exploring uses of Spaces too.
I thought it would be good for those cases where a person has related apps that they want to show or hide together. For example, I thought I could put Coda, CSSEdit, etc., on one Spaces screen. It works, but my greatest frustration is that the spaces aren't named, other than 1, 2, 3, 4 ... not very intuitive. It would be better if I could name them "Main Screen," "Web Apps," etc., and see these custom names as I'm moving between spaces.
pub3 - that was one gripe I
pub3 - that was one gripe I have about it. They seemed to miss a pretty big step when "customizing" our spaces - and that's being able to give our spaces a different name than just "Space 1" or "Space 3" etc. I found myself wanting to change the name of one of my spaces and it's just not an option at this point.
Maybe, if you're brave, you could fool around. . .
with hacks:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2008021122525348
or not.
"Try not, Do! or do not, there is no try."
-Yoda
Work it, but not overwork it
Spaces is a really neat feature, but you don't want to abuse it all the time. When I first got Leopard, I did just about the same thing by tying to "think" of stuff to put in another space, rather then putting frequently use applications.
This is my workflow:
Space 1: I got dual 20" so plenty of real estate for CS and all major apps
Space 2: Parallels Desktop ready to go when I have the use the dreadful IE6 or IE7 for something, or run a .exe
Space 3: Time tracking, I put my timer for projects on this space to start and stop projects (toggl.com)
Space 4: This is a very important space that I save when the going gets tuff and I have 1,000 of things going on normally 2 projects that I'm working on at the same time, or I use that space when I have a lot of video animation/rendering and I jump back and forth working on other assets while its rendering.
Cool, but don't need it.
I agree with Von, above... I had Spaces set up as many people have mentioned, with my ID/PS/AI apps in one Space, all my email & IM apps + iTunes in Space 2, Flash/Dreamweaver in a third, and other less-used apps in a 4th...
After a few weeks though, I started realizing that I was switching between 1 and 2 so often (multitasking between working, chatting, and emailing clients), that I worked faster just having a more-cluttered screen, with most of my apps in one "Space"... My 24" iMac gives me more than enough room to see just about everything, and I've been a slave to the "double-click top of window to hide" function since OS 7, or whenever it was introduced.
So, Spaces is a pretty cool function, but I've found that I get more done when I don't use it. Or at least I feel more efficient, anyway. :-)
Dan
www.designumber18.com
Spacial Relationships
Love Spaces - it completely changed the way I work, offering me the opportunity to create application-specific desktops rather than the constant minimizing vs. maximizing issues. I do see how this could cause some issues with social networking components, though. I try to keep a bit of a tight reign on those social/networking activities so I can complete the paying gigs.
With Twitter...it's not so easy.
Craig Michael Patrick
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Very convenient for small screens
With my 15" MBP is a very fast and convenient way to squeeze screen state to the max. Like havng 3 or 4 monitors.
The only gripe i have is with ID3 and the crazy toolbar that dissapear.
SPACES IS VERY USEFUL, just takes time to get the feel ;)
It is a different way of thinking of your desktop space. It helps to have certain key apps anchored to a space, and others maybe set to every space. Eventually you automatically think of each space by those main anchors. It's easy to switch between spaces by using the right Control key and use the arrow keys to "move around", but you can also use the left Control key and the number keys. And then there is always Command+Tab to tab to the desired app (don't forget that once you hit Command+Tab once, you can use your mouse to click the app's icon instead of tabbing to it).
My setup (dual-screens): For now I don't need more than 4 spaces. I have AI, PS, and ID assigned to space 1 on the right monitor, finder windows on the left. Space 2 I have Safari and Firefox on the right, Textmate and/or Dreamweaver on the left. Space 3 has iChat and other misc. Space 4 has Mail on the right and some Finder windows in the left (because I get and send attachments often). iTunes is set to every space, so no matter which space I'm in I can skip songs, expand and pick different playlists, etc.
I find that I don't hide apps anymore because my screens aren't as cluttered because of Spaces.
Without changing the default shortcuts, you can't hide AI and PS, so spaces helps with that.
There is one tricky preference that is new in 10.5.3 that attempts to fix behavior that some users complained about. For example, If you had two Finder windows in two different spaces, and you were in another app and wanted to switch to the Finder window in your current space, sometimes using Command+Tab to switch to the Finder would switch spaces to where the other Finder window was. 10.5.3 has a new Spaces preference check-box that says "When switching to an application, switch to a space with open windows for the application." What that basically means is in the same scenario above, if this box is unchecked, it won't switch spaces on you. I like to keep this checked though, because I've found that Apple has tweaked the behavior so that doesn't happen anymore anyway, unless there are no windows for the app in your current space.
I absolutely love spaces.
I absolutely love spaces. Completely changed the way I navigate around the computer. At first I didn't know what to think of it, but now I use it constantly
Like any change, it takes a bit of getting used to and a touch of tweaking to get it just how you want it.
Having your more popular apps assigned to a window eliminates any issues with trying to locate programs. I personally have a six-window setup, apps assigned to four of those spaces and the top two for my adobe apps. I find it nice to have a clean desktop to work on when switching between tasks.
I would recommend that you guys who gave up on it give it another shot. Let it grow on you a bit and you may find that you feel better about it.
I used to when it first came out, now I just find it annoying...
I will probably use it again at some point but my work is so intertwined at the moment it doesn't make sense to have stuff spread across spaces, especially with a multi monitor setup.
That is one good point that
That is one good point that I have wondered about. How does it work across multiple monitor setups. I personally have only one monitor (albeit a big one), but how does it function?
It doesn't really...
If I could have one space per screen I'd use it, but each space combines all the screens you have in use.
Gotcha. Thats kinda what I
Gotcha. Thats kinda what I thought. It would be nice to assign spaces to the seperate monitors.
I like Spaces
I use it all the time even with a dual monitor setup. (@mbemmett2 - works just like a single monitor) With Exposé, a two button mouse, and Spaces, all my apps are organized and easy to find.
Here is an article on Daring Fireball about the new changes in 10.5.3, which may offer a reason for previous Spaces Poo Pooers to give it another try:
http://daringfireball.net/2008/05/spaces
~ spigotdesign.com
I love it!!!
I use it everyday!!!
I used to think it was crazy when I first got my iMac, but then as I researched it, I found it quite useful. However, sometimes I notice when I have a lot of programs running simultaneously, it runs a bit slow when I got from space to space. I just need to upgrade my RAM....
suzanne maestri-walters :: graphic designer :: www.onegirlcreative.com
Couldn't work without Spaces
Thanks to spaces I no longer use a monitor with my laptop. I just switch to the space with whatever it is I need to use. This means I can roam around my home and work in whatever chair, coach, bed, recliner I wish.
ITA with Von
It amused me for about an hour after I installed Leopard, but i haven't used it since. Like Von, I'm rocking a dual monitor setup, so I have plenty of room to keep my apps open at all times. Spaces just annoys me and slows me down. Instead of Spaces, I'd rather have the OS and applications be multi-monitor aware.
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Von said: "I thought I would use this feature more but once I tried it (Gave it about a month) it just annoyed me more then it facilitated any level of productivity or organization.
One thing it did do is show me that I am a hardcore multi-tasker and I like seeing everything at once. Out of sight out of mind of sorts. So it just isn't a good feature for me, I prefer an over view of everything and in an age where you can have monster monitor sizes or dual monitors (What I have) there is more then enough real estate to not have to use such tactics that "Spaces" offers."
Spaces
I think Spaces was the most useful application in the last operating system. Have it set at 6 spaces. One for iCal, One for mail, and 4 working desktops. Really cool and saves so much time.