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Make a DVD copy of MAC OS X Tiger

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With Mac OS X Tiger 10.4 now in hand, you may want to consider making a personal backup copy. This is an excellent way to ensure you are protected should your original install DVD become damaged or lost. This simple tutorial will show you how to make a reliable DVD copy from Tiger's Mac OS X InstallDVD.

NOTE: This tutorial is for personal use only. Only the legal owner of Mac OS X Tiger should make a backup. In no way whatsoever does creativebits.org condone the pirating or unauthorized duplication of Mac OS X Tiger. Please use this tutorial responsibly.

Now that the legal mumbo-jumbo is out of the way, lets begin. Duplicating CD/DVD’s is usually very easy, especially if you are lucky enough to have two drive bays and Toast Titanium. However, Mac OS X Tiger poses a slight difficulty since it is a bootable volume. The following steps will help you create a perfect working backup copy of Tiger.



Making a DVD Image

Step 1. Insert the retail Mac OS X Install DVD into your drive.

Step 2. Launch Disk Utility (Applications > Utilities).

Step 3. In Disk Utility, you will notice a white pane on the left hand side. In the pane, select the Mac OS X Install DVD by clicking on it once.

Step 4. Click New Image on the Disk Utility toolbar.

Step 5. A dialog box will appear. Give the new image a name. I used 'Mac OS X Install DVD'. Select the destination where you wish to save it. Leave Image Format at Compressed (default) and Encryption at None (default).

Step 6. Click Save to begin creating the image.

Step 7. Once your image has been created DO NOT mount it. Leave the image alone and proceed to the next section.



Burning the Image

Step 1. Launch Disk Utility (Applications > Utilities).

Step 2. Click Burn on the Disk Utility toolbar (upper left).

Step 3. Navigate to where you saved the DVD image created in the previous section. Click on the image file, then click the Burn button. Do not drag and drop the image file into Disk Utility during this step.

Step5. Insert a DVD when prompted and proceed to Burn it. (use good quality media)

Using these exact steps I was successfully able to create a personal backup copy of Mac OS X Tiger. I hope this tutorial helps. Enjoy the newfound features in Tiger!

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Ronal's picture

Got the update through my RSS, Very useful tutorial. Implementing it right now ...

bloodthirstyrobot's picture

Probably the most succinct how-to I've found on this subject. Thank you so much for this!

xucren's picture
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This sounds great for those who were smart enough to make a backup disk in time, but what do I do if I lost the install DVD? Should I download it from some dodgy site? I´m not gonna pay for it again.

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Great tutorial, its always good to have a copy of expensive software that you've purchased (like cs studio / osx or studio mx 04 etc)

Do you know if this would work with normal dvd's too? I've got a load of dvds that I love watching and watch ALOT (like dilbert for example) and they always seem to get scratched, even when Im careful LOL...

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Glad you find the tutorial useful. For regular applications such as Studio MX, Adobe CS, etc. you can get away with using Toast Titanium's simple Copy feature. This saves many of the steps I have outlined above.

As for intructions on how to copy "normal dvd's", are you refering to DVD movies?

Ron Gallagher
Citrus Studios

Jammo's picture
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Yea, DVD movies (sorry I totally phrased that wrong lol)

I was looking into getting Roxio "popcorn", but if this works just as well then I wont need to get popcorn....

*Must buy some dvd-r's and try lol*

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bebopple's picture
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Great.
So using your instructions, is it possible to add a copy of DiskWarrior to the startup?
Thanks.

B

bebopple's picture
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Can Disk Warrior be added to the startup?

Thanks,

chillcore's picture
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That's the way it goes ;-)
BTW, I did a backup of my shiny new Tiger DVD :) and for everyone using Toast for burning stuff: don't burn bootable images with it. It won't work. It won't boot. I don't know why, because we're talking about *disk images*, so it should burn just that: an image. But obviously it won't.

So in case there's someone out there (like me) who's used to burn everything with Toast instead of Apple's utilities: save yourself the time & the blank for your backup, use Disk Utility.

Mississauga's picture
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I use the Copy function of Toast Titanium to duplicate ALL my OS disks - never a coaster. Why are all those steps necessary?

Alec

mrbuhyah's picture
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Have you tried Tiger? My first choice was to use Toast, since it is so easy. When you do to copy Tiger, you can a volume error, something about files being in use. This was comon accross many forums, hence why I posted this tutorial.

Ron Gallagher
Citrus Studios

Mississauga's picture
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Yes, I've already successfully copied Tiger - no burn/volume errors and copied disks boot fine. Perhaps it has something to do with the type of burner/reader combo you're using?!?

Alec

mrbuhyah's picture
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It could be. I tried on the stock Apple Combodrive (Philips) and on my Pioneer A04 to no avail.

Ron Gallagher
Citrus Studios

chillcore's picture
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Toast copied the DVD without giving me any error here. But it won't boot. Making an image of the non-bootable copied DVD and burning that image with Disk Utility resulted in a bootable DVD again. Strange. Using a Pioneer DVR-107D here.

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Yes. Yes you can. You are right about Toast giving you an error message about some volume error/files in use, just like you said. However, you can click okay at that point, ignore it and continue with the copy. Haven't tried it with Toast 7 yet, but I suspect it will be the same, although Toast 7 incorporates new, cooperative evil content protection thingies.

Try it out with 6. It should work just ducky. Your method is easy and well-written. Keep up the good work!
Lazarus

Jeff Miller's picture

Thanks for the tip!

Jimmy Kim's picture

Its great to make a backup of one expensive piece of plastic!!!!! its a shame they dont include two DVD's for the money given.

Bikel Munsen's picture

I don't have a DVD burner on my mac, but have access to a PC with on. Anyone have experience with making the Tiger DVD image with Disk Utility on the Mac and then burning it bootable on a PC? (Most likley with Nero) Is that even worth trying? Thanks

Marcus Karlsson's picture

I tried, and as a result I got a non-bootable disc. I used Nero 6.6 and a Pioneer DVR-109 burner. Anyone else that tried with better result?

Anonymous's picture

I tried to copy using disk utility but got errors, I also had issues with toast. That was until I looked at the programs running when the DVD was in. One program looked weird so I killed it - sorry can't remember which one. Toast then burned a bootable copy with no errors.

liske's picture
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I can't seem to do Disk 2, it makes an archive of 8.7 GB, which is too big to copy to a DVD. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

mrbuhyah's picture
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There's only one DVD that comes with the Retail version of Mac OS X Tiger 10.4. I don't know where you are getting this 8.7GB Disc 2 from - maybe its a Software Restore Disc? Regardless, it is clearly a dual layer DVD if it is 8.7GB. You need a Dual layer DVD burner and Dual layer DVD media. Apple only ship dual layer drives on the newest Powermac G5's. You can always go buy a retail drive and add it to your Mac. Dual layer media is still very expensive.

Ron Gallagher
Citrus Studios

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Not only are 8.5 Gb dual layer blank DVD's bloody expensive in comparison to 4.7 Gb single layer blank DVDs..
..They're also less common !!

I see dual layer blank dvds for £5-6 each, while single layer dvds are <£1 each !!

And while single layer blank dvds seem to be available almost everywhere, only "proper" techie shops seem to stock dual layer blank dvds.

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The 2nd DVD is from a OEM set that came with a brand new Mac.... and it is over the 4.7gb limit, so unless you have some special double disk (or amazing powers), the disk is not copyable. Sounds like Apple is making 2 different sets of OSX- one for retail and the other for OEM. You can image it, and at the price of hard drives, just store the image file for when you need it. The only critical disk is DVD #1- that is the bookable one. DVD #2 seems to have all the "other" programs on it.

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I keep getting "input/output error." I've double checked the instructions.

Reflect's picture
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When i try and do this with disk utility, the burning starts and then all of asudden it sais: 'The device drained its buffer without burn underrun protection.' I don't know what that means, if someone does please tell me, thanks.

Anonymous's picture

it makes the disk a coaster, and it means that you should retry with a)all other programs and non essential utilities closed or with b)free buffer underrun protection software. This error occurs because the burn buffer cannot supply any data to the writer during burning. The buffer holds data to allow for smooth input but if it is being drained faster that the hard drive can supply it it will run out, leaving a big blank dpot on your disk and ruining it

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I get the message:

Unable to create "Mac OS X Install DVD.dmg"
Resource Busy

Anyone else run into this issue? I suppose it's not a huge deal but a backup would be nice I've used this same process on my Adobe CD and Studio MX'04 in the past just in case (because I'm totally not into paying twice for anything)

Johnny Mac

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Used this technique to burn a backup of TIGER DVD (single DVD) using Apple Super Drive in a dual 2 Ghz G5. MEdia was Verbatim Lightscribe DVD +R (4.7GB). Boots fine. Thanks for the elgant solution whihc is baffling so many people. Even Bombich can't seem to get it. I assume this works for bootable CDs as well.

Now for some questions:

Why it only works if you don't mount the disk image first.

How to create a bootable image with added on stuff. For instance a TIGER DVD with System, Security and Apple Application updates included.

Good Job

"Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid." -- John Wayne

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I have tried to make a copy of tiger today. It always says not enough space avalable on my DVDs.
I have followed these directions that are posted above:

Making a DVD Image

Step 1. Insert the retail Mac OS X Install DVD into your drive.

Step 2. Launch Disk Utility (Applications > Utilities).

Step 3. In Disk Utility, you will notice a white pane on the left hand side. In the pane, select the Mac OS X Install DVD by clicking on it once.

Step 4. Click New Image on the Disk Utility toolbar.

Step 5. A dialog box will appear. Give the new image a name. I used 'Mac OS X Install DVD'. Select the destination where you wish to save it. Leave Image Format at Compressed (default) and Encryption at None (default).

Step 6. Click Save to begin creating the image.

Step 7. Once your image has been created DO NOT mount it. Leave the image alone and proceed to the next section.

Burning the Image

Step 1. Launch Disk Utility (Applications > Utilities).

Step 2. Click Burn on the Disk Utility toolbar (upper left).

Step 3. Navigate to where you saved the DVD image created in the previous section. Click on the image file, then click the Burn button. Do not drag and drop the image file into Disk Utility during this step.

Step5. Insert a DVD when prompted and proceed to Burn it. (use good quality media)

Using these exact steps I was successfully able to create a personal backup copy of Mac OS X Tiger. I hope this tutorial helps. Enjoy the newfound features in Tiger!

Do I need a double sided DVD to burn this to??

Thanks. You can reply to me at my email also.

earltash@yahoo.com

Thanks........

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I know that this thread is old, but I had to add some input for those having failures. I continually had failures doing this until I stopped trying to use my external LaCie d2 DVD-RW drive and APS DVD-RW Firewire drives. Instead I used the internal Superdrive (106D) and finally had success. I was also not following Step 3 ("Burning the Image") exactly, I was not "navigating" to the image, I was simply choosing it in the left pane. From there on everything in the directions was exact.

Thanks a bunch, I'd been asking around how to do this for months. Now I finally have a backup. My original has a scratch on it and was worried that eventually it would be scratched more and thus unusable. Sweating - Off.

Pismo

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Anyone knows why my dmg for Disk 1 Tiger is 5 GB??? It's annoying, just a touch over 4.7 GB for single layer dvd burn....

By the way, looking into the install Disc 1, it's got the following items:
(Perhaps I can "omit" some or any items from the list to get the DMG down to 4.7 GB???) lol....

- Apple Hardware Test Read Me
- Applications>Utilities>Disk Utility>Installer>Network Utility>Open Firmware Password>Startup Disk>System Profiler>Terminal>VoiceOver Utility
- etc
- Install Bundled Software Only
- Install Mac OS X and Bundled Software
- Japanese>ProtectedFontEnabler
- Library>Audio>Documentation>Filesystems.Graphics.Keyboard Layouts.LaunchAgents>LaunchDaemons>Preferences>Receipts>StartupItems
- mach
- Optional Installs
- Read Before You Install
- System
- tmp
- var
- Welcome to Tiger
- Xcode Tools

Help me please???? Thanks!!!!

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Ok, So I just created dmg files of the 10.4.5 discs, there are 2, the first one is 4 some gig, the second is 7.8 gig. so the first one must be single sided, the second one is dual sided... not having a double sided dvd burner is a problem, I am going to try and create 2 discs from the disc 2, wish me luck?
anyone else have a solution?

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I followed the steps as you said, created the image on my desktop, but when I attempt to burn the image to a blank DVD, I get a message saying there is not enough room on the blank disk. I checked the info of the image, it seems only 4.2 GB large, I don't understand why it won't burn to a 4.7 GB DVD. Any ideas? Should I be using a double layered blank DVD? I have a brand new Intel iMac, so I have a dual layer superdrive burner.

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I tried using the copy function of Toast Titanium but it wouldn't boot. I've looked everywhere for a way to make a bootable copy. I followed your instructions and it worked! Who would have known Apple would make it easier to copy their own disks with their software than with third party software... Thanks again.

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I followed your instructions, but the mac osX 10.4.7 DVD is 4.9 GB. I got a message that the disk inserted (a blank DVD that is 4.4GB) does not have enough free space. Is there any way around this?
Thanks,

Shelley

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Use an External Hard Drive or a really large USB Drive/Port

hyu's picture
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When I insert MAC OS X DVD in Windows, I haven't seen any files of MAC, I think Windows can't read it. I can't clone MAC OS X in Windows.

Doug M.'s picture
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try pear pc, but i don't think it'll work with mac OS X Tiger...maybe an earlier version :D http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/

canuto186's picture
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can one copy mac tiger in a windows pc , tried and my cd rom doed not read the mac??????

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If you own a MacPro, or iMac that has a Dual layer SuperDrive, you can just make a copy using Toast (or Disk Utility for that matter) and burn to a dual layer DVD.

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nutta2's picture
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does anyone know if a DVD-RW will work to boot from? or does it have to be a DVD-R

P00PDOG's picture
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I did a back up of both OS X 10.4 disks on a windows box using alcohol 120, and as long as you have a newer dvd burner that can read -r and +r you should be fine. The problm with the combo drives is that they will only read dvd-r. as soon as i swiched my dvd combo to a duel layer dvd burner, I could boot to it.

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hi there i hope you can help me

i got a macbook the other day from a friend with no hard drive......i bought a new sata hd and now borrowed my friends macbook pro restore disks that came with his laptop ........not retail version

can i copy them using windows.........i copied both disks as iso images to my hard drive and now am going to burn them to 2 dual layer dvds

will this work........??? i can only use windows to do this i do not have access to a macbook......if it wont work can you tell me how i can get it to work using windows

i want to basically create my own restore disks from copying my friends........and will the macbook pro restore disks even work on a macbook????

thanks

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can i use alcohol120% in windows to backup the os x disks? and can i split it in 2 dvd (4.7GB) disks ??? i understand the original dvd of apple os came with double layer (8.5GB), i cant burnit in to conventional 4.7GB disks?

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Hello there!,

Nice to read some useful tips here. I am trying to copy my Tiger dvd but I can not make it bootable for some reasons. I am using 14 inch ibook, which has no dvd burner so what i did i made an image file through disk utility and then copied to toast to write in a DVD-R.

As a matter of fact, I tired to burn it through disk utility but unfortunately it is not giving me an option to choose my external dvd writer. it simply shows waiting for empty dvd to be inserted...

Any help will b appreciated

catalonia's picture
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Has anyone bothered to try this out on Leopard yet? Just curious!
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veng58's picture
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You question the answer is yes ,I bought the family pack as my daughter and three sons have macbooks all away in different parts of the country and using the method described with disk utility it works, obviously you need a superdrive with dl burning capability and dual layer disks which i got off ebay for 38p each but all the macbooks i have got do this.Press and holding c on start up and it boots into loading leopard so thanks for the tip.solves what could have been a problem if the other machines failed .

veng58's picture
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Hi found a little program which converts dmg to iso for burning on windows its for those that run windows on there mac can't think why DMG2ISO download from majorgeeks.com hope this helps

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hi bro veng58. u can tray software for windows. ultraiso from http://www.ezbsystems.com/enindex.html
that's great sofware for me, maybe for u 2. that can convert dmg 2 iso. also can can backup u'r mac os dvd in microsuck w1nd0

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I would imagine this is illegal since none of the copies are licensed?!

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Using Disk Utility, does it matter if I make a copy of Leopard as an .iso file? Or does it need to be in the .dmg format if I wish to burn it do a DL DVD and then install the copied Leopard onto another mac?

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Tks, but I am now using aimersoft mac dvd copy, it can easily copy protected DVD with high quality, and works great on my leopard
http://www.aimersoft.com/mac-dvd-copy.html

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I have put the Leopard startup disk on a hard drive partition and it works fine. How ever I would like a DVD copy in case. I made a copy in Toast 9.0.2 and it will not boot. Using a Pioneer DVR 115 DL. When I use disk utilities with restore the blank disc does not show up so I can select it as the destination. When I use burn the disc is too small. I'm using Verbatim DVD+R DL blanks. These are supposed to be 8.5 gigs. How do I make a boot able DVD?

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i just want to say i love you, you just saved me an odd $300, thank you so very much,with the use of another tutorial, i have just copied and changed a mac pro disk so it would work on my imac, which i screwed a little... haha, go me, thank you so much, you've saved me much time and money - but yeah, i'm running toast 8.0 and it didn't work on there, over the last two days i've learn just how useful disk utility is, hahah, thank you soo very much!!!

Talking to nrowe46, what you do is select the leopard startup disk in disk utilities, and when you press burn a window should pop down (like mac windows do, eg when they ask you if you want to do this.. etc) with the specifics, instead of asking you for a destination, if not, make sure you're clicking the on e furthest to the left, not the 'mounted' one, hope that helps - with my problem i got a really rude answer, cause i really did mangle my computer on another forum... sniff, thank you soo much though!!

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Jim Spitzenberger
Mask Design Engineer

This was a great tutorial. I was able to make my backup and it works. Only 1 of my 2 macs could still read my origininal so this was timely for me.

kudos!

Jim

Jim Spitzenberger
Mask Design Engineer

Anonymous's picture

This works EVERY time! I've done this for years with many different Macs, Internal Drives, External Drives. If it does not work for you.. YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!.. My guess is the last part. When you go to burn, do not select the dmg image from the White Bar on the left of Disc Utility. Make sure NOTHING is selected and click the Burn Tab. Then, and only then, navigate in the new window that Disc Utility created, to the OS X DMG file and select it.

Very frustrating to see people Unable to do this SIMPLE task.... Go through the directions step by step, word by word, slowly.

Anonymous's picture

Posted instructions works like a charm with Leopard on a Dual Layer Disc.

mrbuhyah's picture
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Good to know. Thanks for the update.

Anonymous's picture

This was a really useful instruction. Thanks for posting it.
BJ

Anonymous's picture

How long does the "closing session" in the burn process usually go for? I'm trying this with Leopard -- it should be the same, but we'll see.

Anonymous's picture

I bought a download of leopard to upgrade tiger on my mac. I want to buy a larger internal hard disk for my macbook..but how can i make a bootable backup of the Leopard download so that I can re install the OS onto the new harddisk.

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Backups are a great thing. Everything you find of digital value should be backed up.

DVDs, CDs, Programs, DATA! Is all legal to back up as long as you have the purchased REAL copy.

If you haven't backed up lately do it now or regret later!

Summerws's picture
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I love Disk Utility , I also love this cool guide to copy DVD on Mac

Just share another guide about Disk Utility : How to copy dvd movies with Disk Utility on Mac OS X (inluding Snow Leopard )

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Just made a bootable copy of my Snow Leopard install disk for macbkpro 2.53, it boots.

SLIGHT disappointment: It has left out a very valuable item from the original install disk. Nobody seems to have noticed yet which is odd. It has left out the option to click on the Utilities menu after the (replacement) install disk is mounted, in order to run some utilities from the disk. The original has this option, the newly created disk )from above instructions) does NOT.

Would love to have that option intact on my replacement disk. Any ideas???

thanks,
JSC, Boulder

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Thanks mrbuhyah for this clear set of instructions. We needed a backup disk for the Tiger installer because we have a handful of shared PowerMac G4s and a multi-user license for Tiger, but only one install disk from Apple. If that single disk were to be damaged, we'd have all these machines and no way to boot from disk for repair, or to reset forgotten user passwords, etc.

I used your method to create a backup of our Tiger install DVD, using an intel iMac and Snow Leopard--burned onto Maxell brand DVD-R media. The newly created backup disk successfully booted an old iMac with a combo drive, and the disk also contained the "disk utility" and "password reset" functions.

Unfortunately, our Powermac G4's have DVD-RAM drives, and these drives are not able to even read the DVD-R media, let alone boot from it. (Though they can read the original Apple Tiger Install DVD.) So we're still stuck. Short of replacing the optical drives, I'm not sure where to go from here.

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Update: Much researching into DVD-RAM media was futile. First I blithely obtained 4.7 GB DVD-RAM discs, only to discover that the Powermac G4 AGP models' drive can't read this format (though my Intel iMac can both read and write to them, despite zero mention of this in documentation.) According to Apple support documents (article HT3072; old article 58278), the G4 Powermac drives can only read & write the 2.6 and 5.2 GB DVD-RAM discs.

Alas, it seems the 5.2 GB DVD-RAM is rare nowadays, and the 2.6 GB DVD-RAM is even rarer. Further, I'm not entirely sure 2.6 GB is enough capacity for the Tiger install, and the 5.2 is double-sided, and I don't know how flipping a disc would work during installation. Tsk, tsk, tsk. According to those Apple support documents, the G4 Powermac drives will read 3.95 GB DVD-R, but these are completely unavailable now (one or two places have the "authoring" version, but of course that won't work in general purpose drives).

Next, I looked at the potential for using bitsetting techniques to change the book type field on the media, to essentially convert a DVD+RW into (or burn a DVD+R as) a DVD-ROM. The DVD-RAM drives can read DVD-ROM. But it wasn’t clear from Martijn Plak’s DVDPlusTool 1.0b4 whether it would work on my old laptop (which had a 3rd party optical drive in it). The tool seemed to indicate that the drive was compatible and would already burn DVD-ROM, (but that was false, since DVD+R discs burned with it are read as DVD+R discs in modern computers).

By happenstance, the solution to the conundrum presented itself. Although undocumented, the old Powermac G4 DVD-RAM drives can read 4.7 GB DVD+R media, and view it as an unknown media type. They CANNOT read 4.7 GB DVD-R. (The +R was branded Verbatim Datalife, though I speculate that other DVD+R brands would work too.) I was finally successful in making a useful backup copy of my Tiger install disc, using your method on my Intel iMac, and DVD+R media. **THANK YOU** This backup copy is bootable by the old Macs. I also tried burning regular documents to DVD+R using Roxio Toast 6 Titanium, and they too were readable by the DVD-RAM drives in the old Powermacs. Similarly, DVD+R media burned in my old laptop with the 3rd party optical drive is also readable by these old DVD-ROM drives.

I always burned at 2x speed, for reasons beyond the scope of this report. Given hardware that could support faster burning, I expect that would work too.

It is completely undocumented anywhere, so far as I can tell, that the DVD-RAM drives in old PowerMac G4 AGP models can read 4.7 GB DVD+R media. But given the impossibility of finding 3.95 GB DVD-R media, this could be of great value to users of vintage Macintosh models. (I do not expect that the DVD-RAM drives would be able to burn data to the DVD+R media, but I’ve run out of discs and cannot test that. If I’m able to obtain additional DVD+R media, I will post a followup here.)

For the techies….
The old DVD-RAM drives are: MATSHITAPD-2 LF-D110 Revision A113
The Intel iMac drive is: OPTIARC DVD RW AD-5670S Revision 2AHH
The old laptop 3rd party drive is: MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-845E Revision DMP2

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Following up, I found some DVD+RW and DVD-RW media and tried them out. The old DVD-RAM drives can *not* read nor write to any of it. In summary, for these old DVD-RAM drives, in the Powermac G4 computers, which can accommodate either bare discs or cartridges, I found:
READING:
yes= 4.7 GB DVD+R (by Verbatim)
no= 4.7 GB DVD+RW (by Legacy)
no= 4.7 GB DVD-R (by Memorex)
no= 4.7 GB DVD-RW (by Memorex)
no= 4.7 GB DVD-RAM (non-cartridge by Panasonic)
WRITING:
no= 4.7 GB DVD+R (by Verbatim)
no= 4.7 GB DVD+RW (by Legacy)
no= 4.7 GB DVD-R (by Memorex)
no= 4.7 GB DVD-RW (by Memorex)
no= 4.7 GB DVD-RAM (non-cartridge by Panasonic)

I can only presume that if they were available to me, 2.6 GB and 5.2 GB DVD-RAM media would work as originally described by Apple, for both reading and writing, and that 3.95 GB DVD-R general purpose media (and DVD-ROM) would be read-only.

Thus the only viable option for reading is DVD+R (or DVD-ROM). I have not tried any other brand of DVD+R other than the Verbatim, so I don't know how universal this would be. But at least I have something that I can make a boot disk from! For moving data OFF the powermac, I'll use either a wired/networked solution.

My apologies to creativebits.org, if these postings of mine have diverged too far off-topic. It just seemed logical to keep the story together. Thanks!

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Thanks!

NativeGirl's picture
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Thanks! Very clear step by step.

Also thanks to TeaEarleGreyHot for that very detailed post. Off topic or not...it was very helpful to me... I have a few older macs too and two of them are PowerMac G4 AGP's! It was also helpful to see you have Intel iMac too. Same here and all in all your info fits my situation perfectly.

I appreciate you taking your time to post it.

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Thanks for the great tutorial.

alvey's picture
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Thanks for sharing on MAC OS Tiger. I just search one for Mac OS Leopart. see Mac DVD Copy from http://www.imeshootings.com/dvd-copy-mac.html

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Hi alvey, although your post was obvious and blatant spam, I did follow your link to see if perhaps the product you're selling offers "bitsetting" so that a DVD+RW could be converted into a DVD-ROM disc. No mention was made of bitsetting, unfortunately. So for my limited need of supporting old G4 Powermac computers, your product will be of no use.

As an aside, I find the very poor grammar and spelling on your website to be so distracting that it's difficult to understand the features of your product. As a rule, I refrain from being critical of grammatical missteps in forums and 'blogs, partly because of the informal nature of the medium, and also because I would be totally incompetent to communicate in the Korean (or other) language myself. But I do hold commercial websites to a higher standard, as they must inspire confidence in the seller.

And since your product is making claims of multilingual support, this is even more crucial. Thus it is both comical and ironic that you wrote: "Availably support multiple languages and featured skins that can dress up your product display to fit for your visual feelings."

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