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Dealing with a disappointed client

Oh dear. I knew it was bound to happen. A client who thought I walked on water yesterday is now horribly disappointed in a print job I brokered for her.

I took her impossible job something like a year ago and made it, if nothing else, at least coherent and functional. She micromanaged every second of this job through many revisions. I charged her accordingly and she paid me without argument. Very nice:)

She was interested in every detail of my work and seemed to enjoy the educational process of my explaining how her job would be produced, what it would look like and so on. She wanted to be able to see a finished sample before it went to print -- something that is impossible for what was essentially a book, with three different stages of printing and bindery at two different locations. I explained that the "press check" scenario didn't apply in this case and she reluctantly accepted that.

I picked up the job from the printer today and delivered it to an address where she would claim it later in the day. Tonight, I have an e-mail from her saying she is very disappointed in "the cover material," and that she'd learned an expensive lesson, or words to that effect. She thanked me for all my hard work on the project and invited me to have coffee with her some time.

I doubt she'll hire me again. I think she's a nice person and probably wouldn't bad-mouth me, but you never know.

1. How upset should I be about this?

2. Do I owe her an eleven-hundred-dollar "do over"? (She didn't ask for this, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway.)

3. What would you do now?

4. What could I have done to prevent this outcome so I, too, can take a lesson away from this?

XXXOOO, ya'll.

Mara

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YoungZM's picture
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The cover material? So she was unhappy with the printing/ stock? Was there not some sort of instance where you would of been able to show her the type of material the cover was printed on?

I'm not sure you should be terribly broken up about this because nothing can always turn out perfectly, the fact that you're worried about it means you care, nothing wrong there. I'm still not clear on what precisely went wrong with the cover, if that's the only bad side to this I don't necessarily think you owe her anything- even more so if the printed isn't what the printer had you expect. If you can help tweak it so the cover prints more to her liking and you feel bad about the situation with side time, I'm sure your client would appreciate it- I'd take her up on her offer for coffee just so things don't end on a bad note, or at least try on your end to have the business relationship end well. Clear conscience then.

mara06's picture
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Thanks, YoungZM. The cover printed perfectly. It was beautiful. I had told her what the stock would be and what weight and degree of gloss it would have. She approved the design. I'm really baffled by her response to the delivery.

Mara

mrcoupon's picture
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Told or showed? This is where those convenient paper sample guide books come in handy. If you just told her "100# glossy cover weight" there can be a lot of room for error. If they saw a sample of actual stock beforehand, what do they have to complain about?

Some printers will do a mockup for you on a large job, others at least will give you a sample of the printed cover, insides, and binding separately.

YoungZM's picture
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+1 I don't see this as an unreasonable request, however- on the side of everything, if she gave it the green light, I'm not sure what you have to feel bad about. Sounds like you did your part.

I always like to push people a bit further (I'm sure it annoys them to no end) but triple checking with them and offering to change it if they really aren't happy (For $$). If they approve it and didn't want to say anything while I'm throwing themselves at them to try and get the best results, I sleep peacefully.

mara06's picture
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I showed her a printed piece I had done for someone else on the same stock, and explained that her ink coverage would be a rich black, so the coverage would be solid, the finish a low sheen that would exactly match a low-sheen silver foil sticker I ordered for her to place on the cover in an area meant to be a mirror. This whole project was not my taste, but I really did my best to explain how everything worked, what wouldn't (and why) and all of that, so she would be pleased with how I was interpreting her vision. I think the advice about taking her up o her offer of coffee is the best I can do for now. Maybe over coffee, with the product in had, she can show me exactly what disappointed her. *sigh* Thanks, guys.

Mara

Jon Askill's picture
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Sounds like that at least if it goes sour, you have your bases covered and she doesn't have much to stand on. Hopefully you can build bridges with coffee though. Let us know what happens Mara.

>> Cookie cut the chaos >>

mara06's picture
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Thanks, Jon. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Mara

wgzn's picture
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it SOUNDS like you covered all your bases reasonably enough.

is the $1100 just for the cover/bindery? or is that the whole job. over the years ive come out of pocket a few times (whether it was my fault or not) if i felt it was a justifiable testimonial investment.

and its good that youre concerned. and im REALLY curious to find out what her problem is.
have that coffee-talk and get back to us!

mara06's picture
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The $1100 was for the whole print/bindery job (but not my design fees). She only got 100 copies.

I've gone out of pocket too -- most recently on the logo/business card I posted here for critique. Didn't cost me much at all, and was well worth it. The client was tickled to death that I was anal enough to get the cards printed on my own dime to correct things she hadn't even noticed, but did after I pointed them out.

Ain't gonna do that this time, though. I feel she should have know exactly what she'd be getting. If she'd wanted anything more elaborate than what she got, she'd have paid twice that much for it, which would have taken what was essentially a vanity project into the realm of full-blown Narcissistic Personality Disorder!

Mara

gwells's picture
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what jon said.

meet with her, have coffee, listen to her tell (and show) you what she's disappointed in and why she's disappointed. it may not be as bad as you think once you sit down and talk with her. it may be that, despite your efforts, you were unable to manage her expectations. or maybe there's something legit that she's complaining about. you can't really know until you talk to her.

just remember to be as calm and rational as you can be and avoid letting emotion come into play. it may be there's something you can do for her to make her feel better that isn't an $1100 redo. or maybe something you can offer in future work, even if it's just something in "process" that would make her feel better. even if it costs her more money next time to ensure she gets what she wants.

in the end, meeting w/her and being sympathetic/empathetic where you can and explaining things as best you can will make sure that she will have less reason to potentially say bad things and might even smooth over the relationship to the point where she would say good things. and if she does say bad things, it lets you feel more comfortable telling people who ask you about it what lengths you went to in order to make her happy.

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mara06's picture
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Well, folks, I just got an e-mail from this client, explaining that she was disappointed because she had expected the corners of her book to be rounded! This is the first I ever heard her mention such a thing. I have already explained that if she had indicated she wanted that, it would have been an easy stage to fit in, though it would have cost more. I took her up on her coffee offer, kept it light but respectful. We'll see.

I wish they gave mind-reading classes in art school!

Mara

YoungZM's picture
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Yours wasn't a graduation requirement?! Shit, eh?

That's funny though, why would you expect that to be a natural thing to do for an order without having to specially request it? I'd have to search far and wide in a bookstore to find a publication of any sort with rounded corners.

wgzn's picture
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+1 to that. nothing says "classy publication" like rounded corners...?

was it by any chance a children's book?

mara06's picture
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Nope. Strictly for grownups. It's a highly idiosyncratic calendar, 60 pages plus cover. I suppose in her mind, her card-stock cover would somehow transform into leather with rounded corners, the pages would grow their own gilt edges, and a satin ribbon marker would sprout from the spiral binding.

I know my clients expect extra effort from me, but there just aren't enough dried bat wings and eyes of newt at the local witchcraft shoppe for me to come up with that kind of magic! ;)

You guys are making me feel all better. Pour yourselves a drink.

Mara

Art D. Rector's picture
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Interesting. I would say you can probably talk her out of this one. Rounded corners won't make much difference to most people buying the calendar. OTOH, you might find a bindery willing to do it to the finished piece as well. Either way - it's not an $1100 reprint imho.

Go to lunch, talk her down. Sounds like she's frazzled and needs a small dose of reality with the coffee. But first - ask around and see if anyone can round the corners and what it would cost. She might be willing to just pay the extra to have it done.

mara06's picture
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That's a good suggestion about having the corners trimmed. Might be possible at a reasonable cost. Thanks!

Mara

Liorah's picture
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Looks like the card stock and non-gilted edges may end up being an asset... to both of you. :)

From success to failure is one step. From failure to success is a long road.

Alex's picture
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Sounds like you are doing everything right, and the advice here is all good.

The only thing I'd add is ask her if you can use her work as a portfolio piece to show other clients (even if you've already got that written into the contract). It sounds like you are proud of the way this piece turned out and she'll get satisfaction out of thinking you want to show her book off - might be all she needs to convince her that the piece is good as it is.

mara06's picture
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Oh Alex, I'm not showing this job to ANYONE! The best I can say about it is that I made a client's very specific requests look as good as possible.

Mara

Alex's picture
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Ah, one of those. In that case my advice is run away from the client, and don't look back :)

mara06's picture
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Advice taken, buddy. :/

Mara

-D-'s picture
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One thing I've learned freelancing: You are the professional designer. You should not compromise a design (if they have in fact put you in charge of the design). You don't compromise your mechanics work by telling him you don't want certain bolts and nuts tightened to a certain torque; or tell your dentist you want your cavity filled a certain way. You get out of the way and let the professional do his job that you are paying him/her for. I know it's important to give clients what they want as that is what they are paying you for, but if they insist on being involved in every step then there should be no reason for disappointment, regardless of gloss or stock weight!

As a professional it's hard to find that balance of delivering what the customer wants and what your creative intuition, taste, and business expertise tells you to go with.

In short, if she didn't request a refund, or a do over, have coffee with her, and thank her for the opportunity, then call it a day.

mrcoupon's picture
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Go to the coffee meeting and smooth it over with some stern professionalism. Then on the way out, steal a bunch of sugar packets & half-n-half. Either way, you come out ahead.

Guita's picture
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Very difficult situation. A good conversation around a coffee could help clear the issue, which is from what you have explained not your fault at all.

mara06's picture
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Thanks to all of you for your sympathy and A+ advice.

Welcome, Guita :)

Mara

mara06's picture
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Hey guess what? She called today for a reprint! Tee hee hee.....

Mara

Jon Askill's picture
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Ding-Ding! Great Result Mara!!

Especially if you get a little % handling charge for the reprint ;)

>> Cookie cut the chaos >>

mara06's picture
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Are you kidding? Most of the time, I make more money brokering print jobs than I do designing them. :)

Mara

Art D. Rector's picture
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Don't forget the rounded corners.

mara06's picture
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Ooh. Good one! Are you sure you're not channeling my mother?

Mara

Art D. Rector's picture
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Are you sure I'm not your mother? Just keeping an eye on things...

mara06's picture
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I hope not! She's been dead for five years. :/

Mara

Jaden's picture
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Sometimes everyone is terrible and everything is the worst and nothing ever, ever, goes your way.Meet with her..

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