Photoshop killer is here

Now, you can download the beta for the Microsoft graphics application Acrylic. Unfortunately it's only available for Windows. Acrylic is based on a recent purchase by MS of an OS X application called Expression. That was/is a great application. Fortunately the original is still available for Mac.
Judging from Expression it has to be a great tool, so I have high expectations. I'm hoping some of you who own a Windows machine can give some insights as to how it feels and what it does. Will try to run it on VPC, but I'm afraid it's going to be too slow if it runs at all, since it needs 512MB minimum to do anything useful.
Apparently it opens Illustrator and Photoshop files without a problem and we can expect it to hit stores sometime this autumn.
If you are worried that I'm turning - don't. I won't showcase MS products too often, but you know, since they took over on April 1st man's got to do, what a man's got to do. :)
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How ugly is windows?
The first thought was..
Damn how ugly Windows XP looks like and the GUI really is something to throw into the thrash bin..
yeah ...and to hear some
yeah ...and to hear some people say how much they hate brushed metal. No comparison.
XP GUI
Yeah. The color set and big, circusy button thing in XP totally disgust me. I forced my wife to put her machine in "classic theme" as I didn't want that ugly crap in my household.
I will DL this on my windows machine and give a report.
Well, kids, this is one time
Well, kids, this is one time we can't blame M*cr*s*ft for the butt-fugly UI.
I've been using Expression since version 2 and it's always been ugly.
Once you get past that, though, and figure out how to get everything to work, it's a REALLY cool application.
I posted this link in the comments regarding the Slashdot blurb about Acrylic from the other day . A lot of folks making comments seemed a little clueless about how Expression worked and what it did (especially the idiot who reviewed the application and submitted the item to Slashdot initially), so I slapped a quick page together. The "Creature House Expression" entry on Wikipedia has some good background info and links to tutorials.
[[[Oh, and confidential to Ivan: there's no capital "S" in Photoshop! ;o) ]]]
tx
[Blushing] :D
I tried it out yesterday at
I tried it out yesterday at work (at microsoft) and I liked the drawing tools, but honestly it felt like a souped up version of "Paint"...
- Jeff Yamada
www.suborior.com
That's just great..
Now we got a new air to the throne of shitty graphics apps..
Paint.exe got a son..
I can't be too blunt or I
I can't be too blunt or I might get fired, but I think Microsoft has a ways to go when it comes to taking care of us designers. I am however glad that adobe has someone to keep them on their toes, even with a paint app on steroids, MS's interest in the market should ensure adobe will do whatever it can to keep delivering great products.
- Jeff Yamada
www.suborior.com
If you don't spend time with
If you don't spend time with the app and get past the UI you'll never understand what this application does that few—if any—others are able to.
Complain all you want, but without exploring the application you'll sound just as clueless as the reviewer who submitted the piece to Slashdot, and who got his arse handed to him on an up-turned trashcan lid.
If you're smart enough to be running the Mac OS, go get the Expression 3.3 beta. The compressed file comes with versions for both OS X as well as Classic Mac OS. Apologies-by-proxy if you have to sign up for and jump through the .NET flaming craphoops like I did back when M*cr*s*ft first offered it. Seems, though, I read that may not be necessary anymore...you'll have to check for yourselves.
agree
i agree with you about giving applications a chance and finding out what all the different apps out there are capable of...
Its nice to just have a select range of tools that you use day in day out, but sometimes there will be app's that have a great tool that the bigger apps like illustrator or photoshop will adopt in future versions.
LMAO!
The headline of this post is almost comical! Photoshop Killer... Muahahahaaaa! OK, so the app DOES offer a few nifty features, but it's so archaic in the way it does everything that I find it just above a disaster to use.
Maybe a "Painter" killer, but not a Photoshop Killer. Even calling it a Painter killer is a stretch. How about a Corel Killer.
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Cripes, I sooooo need to get
Cripes, I sooooo need to get a new digitising tablet. It would make Painter and Expression much more enjoyable and versatile.
Dang shame the ADB---»USB adapters will work with almost every device EXCEPT tablets. I might have gotten only about a year's use out of my CalComp.
huh, your tablet isn't usb?
huh, your tablet isn't usb? I got the low end wacom and it works great.
- Jeff Yamada
www.suborior.com
"huh, your tablet isn't usb?
"huh, your tablet isn't usb? I got the low end wacom and it works great."
I got my CalComp in maybe 1998-99, before USB started showing up on computers. I used it semi-regularly until my PowerComputing Tower went tits-up. Next came an interim Rev E iMac...no ADB input.
I kind of whined about this on the Adobe Forum and a friend offered to ship me his unused ADB---»USB converter, but upon doing a little research I found that even with the newer, faster box that I have now, the converter just doesn't pass data quickly enough to work with tablets.
I just need to buck up and get a new Wacom, but my money's gonna be a little tight for the next couple months, at least.
I know :)
It was meant to be a cynical title, just forgot the ;) from the title.
Have you checked out the gallery?
have you seen some of the gallery on there? like this one for example
there is some really beautiful stuff in there, this app must have some very nice brushes to work with.
Best tool for the job...
Could I have drawn those flowers and the greenery I did in Photoshop or Illustrator, as I did in Expression? Yep, but not nearly as quickly.
Adobe should have bought Expression when it was up for grabs, just like they should have bought Painter.
"Adobe should have bought
"Adobe should have bought Expression when it was up for grabs, just like they should have bought Painter"
Oh yes! I'm still wondering what will Corel do with three raster editing apps.
(and Macrobe with all the apps, if the merger is accepted)
Grayness?
Thanks for the link Ivan. After about 30 minutes of playing, I found a few interesting things. According to the help, Acrylic supports Illustrator 8 and earlier, and Photoshop 7 and earlier. My Photoshop cs files open up as a flattened image.
I thought this one was kind of funny. Photoshop has Image:Mode:Grayscale, Acrylic has:

I like how Acrylic combined Levels and Curves into one dialog:

I found the adjustment layers here:

Best review so far...
...of Acrylic is Jeff Schewe's article on the PhotoshopNews blog. In it, he explains a bit about what sets Acrylic apart (the vector-painting), but he concentrates on how it compares to and contrasts with Photoshop's pixel editing feature set.
Guess which app is clearly the winner in this respect...
After really having a long full-size look at those screenshots accompanying the article, my loathing of the UI has much less to do with Expression/Acrylic per se; I've learned to deal with that and I'm comfortable with the fact that it's different than the Adobe UI I use 90% of the time. But seeing all that M*cr*s*ft-supplied bright blue in the palettes, main menu and window header would drive me absolutely crazy. It's simply way too harsh on the eyes. If I was ever forced to work on a Windows system, changing those headers from blue to gray would be my first order of business.
If the little colored buttons in the Mac OSX UI are called eye candy, then the Windows UI is like ripping open those little single-serving packets of Sweet-n-Low (sodium saccharine, for those outside the U.S.) and pouring the contents directly onto your corneas.
so true. I mean I think a UI
so true. I mean I think a UI can only be so ugly before it offsets usefulness. No matter how awesome it might be, I still waste time having to throw up and all.
- Jeff Yamada
www.suborior.com
tx for the link
Any ideas if they are planning to release it for Mac?
Just a guess, but I highly
Just a guess, but I highly doubt that. I don't see how it'd be in their interest to do so.
- Jeff Yamada
www.suborior.com
" If I was ever forced to
" If I was ever forced to work on a Windows system, changing those headers from blue to gray would be my first order of business."
Phoz, I think that indeed, some users are not aware that you can change the UI of windoze
I have mine set to classic windows, which is the standard grey. I even neutralized the colors, as it was a warmish grey. It is also possible to change the highlight color (like in the layers palette) to another color. (I choosed dark grey.)
In the MacOSX UI, that I'll re-discover soon, the only minor thing I do not like (besides the blue color of the buttons and so) is the fact that the scroll bars have a repeated gradient: blue to lighter blue to blue to... It really surprises me that the UI team let that happen.
But the UI of the acrylic itself is cryptic to say the least: a lot of meaningless icons, instead of titles in the tabs. Let's call the app acryptic then...
Screwed again
Being one of the Winusers on this here site, I'm often left salivating over some nifty functionality that all you Macusers get to play around with. This time, I've been screwed by the MS set. [Not that this isn't a feeling all Winusers are used to.] Friggin' Bill Gates and his obsessive need to strongarm people into constantly upgrading an OS whose current iteration is already slated for obsolescence in another five-or-so years [out of the box]. I'm referring to the fact that you're required to run WinXP to play with Acrylic. I'd perhaps understand limiting the software to a post-98 edition or something, but I'm running Win2000 and [from what I've seen] there's not a whole heck of a lot of differences betweeen the versions.
Grrr. Just grrr.
A little cold comfort with these sour grapes, anyone?
Another Review
Here's another review if anyone's interested. It's a bit shorter than the others, but still good. I'm only guessing here, but I think Microsoft will clean up the UI quite a bit in the final release.
Even those guys at the bd4d
Even those guys at the bd4d blog have screwed up in their review regarding the "Align" functions in Acrylic (if my assumptions are correct, that is). If they miss that, how much of the rest of their review should I trust? Stoopid amateur writers.
See my comment there.